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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 186 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

I mean if Europe wants to increase their military funding and move items in house I think that would be a wonderful idea. Because America is not a reliable partner in this at all in the past two decades.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The perfect excuse for the military industrial complex to move manufacturing overseas.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

So I'm going to say that the military industrial complex is already there, it would simply be a rapid expansion.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago

Multiple EU countries want to, but they also want to give stuff to Ukraine and it's difficult to do both.

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 135 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (166 children)

Good job to all of the fucks who stayed home because of Gaza, thinking that not voting and letting the GOP rise to power would actually help the situation.

Yeah, because Netanyahu's extreme right-wing policy was a problem with the US's left-wing party, right?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I doubt Gaza was the deciding factor for 20 million people, but I could be wrong. Especially since anyone that aware of the whole would see trump would worsen the situation not improve it. I'm curious why they did stay home.

I also guess Americans don't want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I also guess Americans don’t want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

Latinos voting for hard crackdowns on immigrants is the biggest "fuck you, I've got mine" energy I've ever seen.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And they will be so fucking shocked when ice comes for them.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But they are one of the good ones!

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

By far, the overwhelming Biden derangement syndrome factor was "transgenders exist and are in my news feed". That healthcare is available to prisoners and immigrants, means that they are all receiving gender reassignment surgeries. This is democrats fault.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The fact people can't differentiate edge cases from the norm is a general education issue. But their pushback was anemic.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

General education in the US is underfunded on purpose. It's how the right have won on every issue that counts. Distracted, lazy, frightened and greedy. These are the levers the media pull to get whatever the billionaires want to happen. They tried it with Smedley Butler way back when and learned their lesson. Have the dumbass voter just do what they want with outrage. It doesn't matter who's president or who's in Congress. It matters what's on the news and who they can pay to put it there. The rest falls into place.

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[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't deciding factor at all. People get far too internet poisoned and fail to realize how the median voter is actually motivated in this country. Foreign policy is nearly irrelevant to most voters.

If there is any validity to the idea that Harris' position on gaza tanked the campaign it's in the motivated active base lost interest in giving their time, sweat, and energy to putting boots on the ground for someone that has made every promise to continue bombing children.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

It was, as it always is, and as Clinton said over 30 years ago, "the economy, stupid".

People who do not pay attention to politics vote like someone pressing random buttons on an elevator. They push the up button, no elevator comes, then they push the down button, no elevator comes, and all they know to do is to keep pushing buttons randomly hoping an elevator comes one way or another. And no elevator ever comes.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Millions of people stayed home. I really doubt Gaza was the reason for all of them.

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[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Fucking chat bots convinced enough dipshits to stay home that our country was taken by fascists. Humanity is doomed.

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[–] amlor@lemmy.world 85 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It will just be renamed to No America Treaty Organization

[–] officermike@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Technically not... They'd still have Canada.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Don’t you dare call us American! Next thing you know we’ll stop apologizing for everything and actually build a military with jets instead of snowmobiles!

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[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 58 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Nato without USA is still bigger military than Russia.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago (5 children)

But with a fraction of the nukes, which is the actual big stick part of NATO

[–] chaosppe@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (11 children)

It took two nukes for Japan to wave the white flag. Do we really need 5,000+ nukes for anything? France has 290 and UK has 225. Thats enough to wipe one or multiple countries clean off of the map without any form of surrender.

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[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

In the game of nukes you don’t really need many.

You can destroy the world just so many times.

The rest is just for showing who has it bigger (the arsenal)

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 days ago

NATO will be fine. They'll just have to up their game a bit militarily. If America wants to be insular and wrap a flag of isolationism around them, it'll hurt in the short term, but after four years of being more independent of Americas tit, its more than likely the US that will find itself less relevant globally.

Even before this, there was already rumblings, not just in China, but elsewhere, about ditching the american dollar standard and returning to the gold standard. That's just going to gain momentum as soon as Trump starts trying to wave his mushroom around.

[–] seeyouatthepartyrichter@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Thank fuck we didn’t give up our nukes in the UK.

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[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 54 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It seems like a very real possibility. A new, EU followup seems like a natural next step to protect the borders and peace.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Next stage of russian ops will focus more heavily on splitting Europe now that UK and US have been severed off

[–] Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Straight out of Alexander Dugins book...

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

thanks! I couldn’t reminder who wrote it.

Foundations of Geopolitics

And later

The Fourth Political Theory

He even used the term ‘special military operation’ in 1997…

His plan is certainly being implemented by putin

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[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 6 days ago

I think that’s unlikely.

But I also thought Trump winning was unlikely,

So what do I know?

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Hopefully the EU takes over. It has a lot more economic strength then NATO. Also the UK is strong as well, but that can be managed. Turkey does its own things anyway and I would not trust them. Norway and Iceland are not that important. Canada is going to go with the US anyway. The advantage is easier common funding for projects, due to the EU having more direct access to money. There are also a lot of the basics in the works already.

Norway and Iceland are crucial to European defense - what are you talking about?

[–] brealorg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Yeah, what is your reasoning behind that statement about Norway and Iceland?

[–] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago

NCD not beating the MIC bootlickers allegations

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