it's still amazing to me that any military personnel still support trump after all the times he shat on the military
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Racism and guns are more important to them than respect for the military, even if they are that military
People in the military aren’t the sharpest group.
Ehh, it depends. Polling in 2020 put soldiers at 41℅ Dems/ 37% Republicans, so it's not fully one way or the other.
From my personal experience, soliders mainly were non voting. After service? Tended to matter where they ended up more than anything else.
This was my experience in the army as well. It was a grab bag of opinions because soldiers come from every part of the country and every walk of life.
I'd argue that's only to get more one-sided as military benefits get cut down further and further. GI bill and medical benefits are huge draws for people, it's a way out of genuinely shit situations. Hack away too far and people stop signing up.
Yeah, and Dems fund the VA and education benefits while the repubs fund contractors.
Are benefits getting cut? Honestly. All I ever hear is about trying to get more health coverage, fix the VA, and nearly $1T annual budget.
It gets repeatedly threatened; transgender people using medical benefits for affirming surgeries were kicked out under trump IIRC; it wouldn't surprise me if pregnancy related care (and othe reproductive healthcare such as vasectomies, histerectomies, tubal litigation, etc) also gets axed under a potential trump presidency.
Education benefits are a sticky one. I genuinely think cutting that would lead to revolt if medical benefits don't. That's a huge draw. It gets some people out of a shit situation, and gives them an education to get a good job to avoid going back into that situation.
I somehow forgot that the military loses the same freedoms and benefits that we all lose under GOP (religious extremists, deranged fascists, etc).
It's ironic that free/subsidized healthcare and education, basic pillars of society that all Americans should enjoy (like most civilized countries), is instead used as some amazing military benefit. I guess we all just need to join the military! I can't imagine who would even consider joining without these, at least for a generation or two (until forgotten). But as you said, healthcare especially is already being chipped away for many people.
Its probably the only institution of the US that the poem inscribed on the statue of liberty actually applies to.
Most people outside of that description are drawn in by nationalism.
All I ever hear is about trying to get more health coverage, fix the VA, and nearly $1T annual budget.
i wonder why they want to do that
My understanding was that officers tend to lean more left, while enlisted men lean right.
Which makes sense when you think about relative education.
In general yeah, but the numbers have shifted pretty hard. In 2016, it was 55/45 gop to dem.
Just 4 years later, it shift to 41/37 dem to gop. Looks like a decent chunk went non voting, but it did shift the needle.
While I was in the service, it was majority conservative, but lots of people from lots of places tends to shift that. You get to know people from all over the country, break down biases and learn new things. Looks like nowadays there isn't that overarching conservative energy on top. Probably a better military to be in now, honestly.
Yikes, imagine being in the military and choosing not to vote. That's kind of unbelievable (rhetorically speaking... unfortunately, its all too believable).
Military people are a cross-section of Americans at large, not a single bloc.
I only have responses that would be derogatory and biased against the military in general. And while I think one could apply your statement to most groups of people in any context, you do have a point.
Recognizing your bias is remarkable and worth these upvotes!
They're the sharpest bulbs in the shed
Neither are people that make generalized statements.
Sounds pretty generalized.
It’s not intolerant to be intolerant of intolerance. I thought this was settled a few years ago.
its not, but the joke applies here, and also it is a good rule of thumb, never make blanket statements unless you're either shitposting or joking.
Intolerance is relative. I don’t tolerate the intolerance of the military. So by your definition, I am not intolerant. That is unless you don’t tolerate my non-intolerance of intolerance. 💋
The true travesty isn't that he did it, it's that he was allowed to get away with it like he always is.
I'm not a "Support the Troops" person. I even have family in the military, I just really don't care for that jingoism. So I'm not that offended by Trump's antics disrespecting the military.
What really frustrates me is the fact orange man thought it was a good idea to THUMBS UP in a graveyard. Jesus Christ, no respect for the dead. And every single person around this idiot is cool with him doing that. Fucking ghouls.
He doesn't respect anyone, so this isn't a surprise. That some people wanted or still want him in a service position to the country when all he cares about is one person named DJT is beyond me. If the previous term didn't show them that, they won't ever get it.
It's because he was "hurting the right people." They have accepted that their lives will be miserable, and will do everything they can to make sure no person of color, or minority of any type, has it better than them. That's the most important part to them.
It's not even about whether or not the government can do good for all its people, that's not even a possibility to them. So instead, they see it as a means of making other people more miserable than them, and pulling the ladder up behind them.
Meh. I don't care about the thumbs up.
What sickens me is that they planned this. They strategised how to get in there with the cameras, and how to respond to the inevitable outcry that would follow.
Their statements in the immediate aftermath are vulgar. The comment about an employee who was suffering a mental health episode trying to stop them. I imagine that employee was upset at seeing the sacrilegious trampling of the dignity of the fallen soldiers in her care.
It's also not lost on me that if anyone thought for a second that any political campaign would be so low as to try this, there would be security in place to prevent it. These scum are willing to stoop that low.
I understand what you mean with the military overall, but I personally find the THUMBS UP to be more egregious when those buried there died in service to our country.
Did they do? Maybe in service to your politicians but certainly not in service to "the country"
I dont like valuing people and their deaths like this, but basically any teacher or nurse has done a hundred times more for your country.
They died in service to their country, most of the teachers and nurses did not. Some of those wars were even just.
Also I want to add even if you believe that those soldiers were victims of propaganda, they believed they were serving the country. They believed they were serving their fellow man. That counts in my book.
I lay the blame for why they died at the feet of the men and women responsible for their deployments, not at the feet of those who died believing in something bigger than themselves.
they believed they were serving the country. They believed they were serving their fellow man. That counts in my book.
Well said
Yeah, we know. We didn't need the apparently unnamed son of John McCain to tell us that.
His name is Jimmy. First paragraph.
The author could at least directly name them in the title. If it's significant enough to write an article about, maybe name the guy.
It's only important because he is John McCain's son. Other people have spoken out and it was less news worthy.
We all clicked on the post didn’t we?
No but there's a few more tidbits in the article like Jimmy McCain voting for Harris and the "ever-so-relevant" Meghan McCain:
Despite her harsh criticisms of Trump, Meghan McCain indicated last week that she would still not endorse Harris. “I’m a lifelong, generational conservative,” she tweeted.
I get your sentiment though.
“I’m a lifelong, generational conservative,” she tweeted.
men, and women, and fellows in between, this is what we call a red flag.
The post title is actually a link to an article.
Just saw John McCain's grave at Annapolis on the same day we went to Arlington. Got a private tour of the highest ranked graves. Most incredible thing? He's only buried there bc his best friend, a fellow naval officer, vouched for him and pulled strings to have him buried there.
It was so dope. I'm the only civilian to have accurately pointed at a headstone and said "isn't that the dude who blew up a train bridge inland, defying the jurisdiction of the navy??"
Yes, Lefty's love America and are actual Patriots.
Sauce:
Yeah, no shit. Though thanks for reminding me John McCain is dead
Well, he's not wrong.
The true travesty isn't that he did it, it's that he was allowed to get away with it, like he always is.
judging by the outcry. i'm not sure about that, although i wonder why military twitter thinks about this one, they were mad about tim walz and his whole spiel that one time.
Decries, slams, rips, fires... over sensationalized headlines don't come from real journalists. Let the facts speak.