the subject is mute.
*moot
the subject is mute.
*moot
I hear you. Didn't mean for that to come across as an attack on you.
Lemmy is such a fickle place. Just a few days ago people were clamoring for Democrats to make a purely performative abortion vote that would be doomed to fail, merely because it would send an important signal to voters. Now people are skeptical that performative signal votes are sincere because they won't go anywhere. Not saying you, specifically, but the whiplash is really frustrating.
Second, sure, it's a low risk bill because they know it won't go anywhere, but damn isn't it good news that somebody is putting their money where their mouth is? Maybe we just need to primary in more Dems who will sign on and help push it through?
I directly answered your question, and you seem to have ignored what I said. Plus you really should reexamine your assumptions about the importance of Gaza, the "ease" of withdrawing support, how much Democrats have moved rightward, and how many centrist Republicans vote for Democrats.
Your level of frustration with the process is inversely proportional to your awareness of these trends, of which Democratic leaders are likely well aware. Moreover, you seem to be valuing the strongly-held opinions of voters in non-swing states (what you're calling "deep blue states" or "areas that effectively don't matter") more highly than the maybe-less-strongly held opinions of voters in swing states. If 5% of Democratic voters in California want sushi, and 5% of Democratic voters in Pennsylvania want steak, I'm picking steak and telling the California voters to take a hike. Their opinion doesn't even register on my radar thanks to the electoral consequences of pissing off the Pennsylvanians who wanted steak.
No. If 5% of my voting base sits out over a single issue, I'm going to lose my interest in trying to triangulate their support and move in another direction to identify a more persuadable bloc of voters. That goes more if the abandonment is repetitive, and if the issues constantly change, or if the issue is something I can't bend on for electoral reasons.
If one bloc of voters is easier to please than another, then I'm moving in their direction, even if it's rightward. Unfortunately it's winner-take-all, and you're either in power or you're not. There are no half-wins.
The mistake Ernst Thälmann made was not throwing his support behind checks notes Paul von Hindenburg, the man who ordered the police massacre of the Spartacus League?
Um...no? Von Hindenburg was the conservative. They'd have thrown their support behind the centrist, Wilhelm Marx, who lost by about 3%, thanks (in part) to the 6.3% Thälmann took. The rest of the blame lay with the BVP when they protested against the Social Democrats by siding with von Hindenburg.
Who elevated Adolf Hitler to the Chancellorship in 1933?
Von Hindenburg, with the help of the governing coalition formed by the Nazis and DNVP, all of whom were conservative.
What point are you trying to make?
Wait, aren't ALL of those colors inadvertently transposed? The reds and blues are wrong.
I heard, "This...motherfu-- former president."
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For every Trump supporter you can find that lives in the unpopulated country in a trailer on a swamp, there are a dozen upper class spoiled brats for whom Trumpism has become core to their identity:
Throwing a little bit of anecdote behind that data, the most rabid Trump supporters in my family like to complain about "government teat" liberals while lounging on their 20+ foot boats which they launched from private docks beside their $1+ million lakeside or shoreside homes. That includes my father in law, 1 of my father's cousins, 4 of my uncles, and the husband of my own cousin. Not even exaggerating that they all either live on the waterfront or have a waterfront vacation home, and they all have huge boats. Three of my wife's uncles who are feverish Trumpers inherited a textile fortune from daddy and have never had to work a day of hard labor in their lives. The most rabid Trump supporter in my wife's extended network who routinely bitches and moans about how offended she is at the idea of "white privilege", lives on a 154 acre estate and inside a 7,550 square foot home that overlooks a private lake. She's as die-hard a Trump supporter as they come.
I wish I were joking.