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I saw a hexbear in the closet and it had a baby and it looked at me
This is nothing new, I knew people IRL who believed this about the subreddit.
Including a friend who'd been one of the primary forces pulling me to the left. It was like watching them turn into a liberal in real time.
Given that these people usually direct far more hatred at tankies than fascists, I guess that means we've moved up in their estimation!
I hope the person in the middle continues lurking and eventually starts posting. they seem salvageable
they will literally just say anything about us. like, if you go to the_donald or /pol/, you can tell they are bigoted because they are saying slurs or barely disguised slurs, calling people r***rded, gay, "low IQ", groomer, etc., talking about defending The West or a future for white children.
here, somehow, the bigotry apparently exists in some kind of mysterious non-corporeal state that cannot be pointed to.
If you go on /pol/, you can tell they are bigoted because they are fascists. If you go on communist lemmy, you can instead tell they are communists.
We're all doing a very elaborate and well-coordinated bit where we actually mean the completely opposite of what we're saying. No one ever slips up, it's very impressive
Oh, it's here, you just have to BELIEVE :spongebob-hands-waving:
I believe you, even though there is literally no evidence for your claims
I like what you are telling me and it agrees with my prejudices so it must be true
Who are you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes?
Do not get fooled, Hexbear might seem like fascists pretending to be tankies, but it is actually all a ruse to hide that they are liberals
i feel so called out 
Except for me
Saying you're the one true leftist is the 420th kind of liberalism.
You may laugh at them but these fine gentlepeople represent the current dominant economic system that managed to crush it’s opposition with sheer efficiency and might. Not so amused now, are you, fake tankies.
we need to get the moscow time back in the sidebar
Middle one is how I started. Apparently lemmygrad was so "bad", that two of the instances I joined defederated it by default before anything else. I was like "Tankies, huh? I wonder what kind of nonsense stuff they like to post." So I lurked on the front page.
1 week later
Holy shit they're right.
Neat! That's why I'm not too worried that they spread these memes about us (it's a meme in the original meaning, where they start believing what others tell them without checking for themselves) because people will still check us out. And there's no risk of getting your instance taken down on Lemmy, not like Reddit where you always had to be super careful about what you said and walk on eggshells.
They can't stop talking about us in hushed, dreaded tones that create curiosity.
you know what I'm thinking btw? I was browsing lemmy servers on join-lemmy the other day and noticed there's an instance for the r/blind subreddit, and they will federate with everyone except Lemmygrad lol, probably someone told them something they heard from someone else about us. Hexbear should federate with that community and start politely interacting with them.
either that or they're turbo libs because they're even federated with exploding-heads, so maybe someone could just ask them why they specifically single out lemmygrad.
edit: instance is simply rblind
Same, I even told a friend when telling them about Lemmy that "Lemmy has lots of... something called tankies? No clue what it means but I hear they have bad beliefs."
The world didn't make any sense to me. Browsing hexbear for a couple days was like finding the other half of the puzzle pieces inside 
Hey that's similar to me. Except for me it was reddit and I heard r/latestagecapitalism talking about "Chapos" and the "Dirt bag left" in hushed whispers but never saying why they were bad, so I checked them out and my first though was "Oh finally, some leftists that don't want to play nice with the right"
Similar pipeline here. Hanging around in all the I suppose you could call them "utopian left" spaces and being patted on the head "you'll wise up when you're older" followed by a "refutation" of whatever I suggested that itself demonstrated that they hadn't actually listened to a word I said. Even some ideas I explored by advocating for them and later decided were flawed, it still burns me that people who otherwise accepted me as a reasonably intelligent person would take an idea I shared with them so lightly as to not listen. That primed me for the "if you aren't going to participate constructively in good faith then you can fuck off" space that was CTH
Lol same pipeline here.
When have we ever been pro-putin?! Lmao these people are delusional 
If you admit that there has ever been a Nazi in the borders of Ukraine, or that NATO was involved in any way with the lead up to the war, your are pro-Putin.
Well you see calling out blatant lies, untruths and demanding journalistic rigor is actually just a dastardly kremlin propagandatrick where we sow discord and mistrust by pointing out when we're being lied to.
Support Putin, the liberal who applied to join NATO? The one who can't control his own central bank in wartime because he believes in the "rule of law" and "separation of powers"? Lmao. We support the people of Donbass.
hexbear is fascist, they're pretending to be tankies
but i thought libs believed tankies = fascists...? 
this is too confusing
There's solely using Umberto Eco's work to understand fascism and then there's this. The whole 2016 election didn't ruin the definition of fascism, but it certainly ruined most spaces to have conversations about fascism.
I know a lot of this shit is deliberate from fascists who have a lot to gain from muddying the water, but it's still frustrating as hell.
Like how are we supposed to have a conversation with people who think the conditions of the border camps are significantly better under Biden than Trump?
guess they're mad that we don't care about being called tankies anymore
"Fascism is when you embrace revolutionary defeatism, and the more defeatism you embrace the more fascist it is." - SPD supporter, 1914.
Complete uncritical support for Владимир Владимирович Путин against НАТО 
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Mfs really be naming their kids "Vladimir Vladimirson"
The middle one is fine, the guy's basically saying "please point it out to me" in a way that won't start a fight.
Yeah it's the kind of angle you'd use when you've snuck into a trump rally with a camera and mic and want people to say the dumbest funniest shit possible
Like damn yeah my fucking liberal aunt keeps arguing with me about that and I need some examples, can you help me out?
@HellAwaits@lemm.ee can you link me to a single pro-Putin post please? Just one.
Serious question. I'm genuinely asking you for this in good faith, I want to understand what you're talking about.
I've seen several comments on hexbear (I can find links if you haven't seen them) along the lines of "I'm not pro-Putin... BUT we should give him what he wants in order to end the war quicker", and as an outsider, I think for sure these comments are actually seen as totally pro-Putin by non-hexbear users, due to how trying to appease dictators has ended for Europe in the past.
The whole 'appeasement doesn't work' argument is understandable, but the only alternative is fighting and dying in the tens of millions in the vain hope that a global superpower will lose to a relatively small, fractional country plagued by instability, military incompetence, and corruption. It's also not really applicable anyway, while Russia is far more interested in security and stability than global domination.
Either way, there is the short-term solution middle ground of "let's negotiate on terms that help ensure everyone's future security (including at least some degree of denazification) to prevent further wars". Which I think is what most Hexbearians would want in terms of peace. Obviously the long-term issue is that nationstates as they exist are inherently warmongering and that cannot be stopped without fundamental change.
This clearly isn't pro-putin though it's anti-war. Those people are intentionally conflating being pro-putin with any attempt to stop the war because they are bloodthirsty liberals detached from the horror this is causing and crucially - they want the war to continue.
None of us are happy this war is happening. The position of trying to get it to end as quickly as possible through any means isn't pro-putin. It's pro-human lives.
See what I don't understand is even if this were true, how is this any different than how American liberals treat countries they illegally invade? Your literal only defense against criticism is "Whataboutism!".
You will not treat America or Americans the same for occupying Afghanistan for 20 years as you treat Russia and Russians for doing something vaguely similar with far less casualties
I am personally against American invasions and am not trying to say the USA is somehow good or benevolent, I was just pointing out why outsiders may perceive some hexbear users as pro-Putin
I understand that but even you must recognize that English speakers outside communities like ours talk about Russia and China with such overwhelming vitriol they would never DREAM talking about western countries with, despite western countries doing all the things eastern countries are accused of but much worse
Let's see those links, champ
If you search for Russia on hexbear, you find comments like this quite quickly, like:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3738463
Peace looks like guaranteeing Ukrainian neutrality by taking NATO membership off the table and likely ceding the DPR and LPR to the Russian federation at this point.
https://hexbear.net/comment/3765816
We also get a lot of shock at the fact that some of us think, in that situation, Ukraine would have to give independence and security guarantees to the Donbas & Crimea. Many of us think that given the realities of the civil war there over the last 8 years or so, plus this conflict, it’s probably the only way to prevent retributory ethnic cleansing in the region. It has nothing to do with ideas of fairness or sovereignty or any other nebulous concept; it’s about what’s least worst for the working class there.
I've seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don't agree with the logic myself.
The question was about pro-Putin. These are clearly anti-war posts. I don't think you can reasonably describe these as being pro-Putin or even anti-Ukraine.
As others have said, the vast majority of us ARE anti-Ukraine and that might indeed sound like pro-Russia to outsiders, but these posts are not it. We just want fascists removed from power in Ukraine and peace returned to the Ukrainian people. There hasn't been peace in Ukraine since 2014.