hatchet

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[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

All the best to you and the team, I understand it can be rough. But similarly, I think most of what you wrote could just as well have been written by a Lemmy maintainer:

I think a lot of folks don’t realize how hard it is... All we ever really wanted was a nice place for folks to express themselves... The whole team here has dumped 1000’s of hours into keeping this thing alive. It’s just rough to see the comments here.

Lemmy devs are in exactly the same position, and reading the comments in this thread, I am getting the vibe that lemmy.world admins are not willing to see this. Just check the messaging your admins are putting out there (even in the comments under this post), imagine reading that messaging as a Lemmy dev, and tell me it wouldn't feel just as rough.

Btw, I think a clear source of all the negative comments here is not the fact that Sublinks is being developed. Every time Sublinks gets advertised on Lemmy, there is this toxic "finally we can get rid of the original Lemmy dev team" messaging along with it - sometimes it is more hidden between the lines, other times, it's very blatant. This messaging inevitably creates uncertainty in users about the future of their instances. THAT'S the real issue here, at least from my point of view.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

Considering that Lemmy is an open source project which is being built collectively by a big community, your comment sounds extremely strange. You are basically saying "we did not do enough testing for the 0.19.3 release, and we accept none of the blame for it."

Edit: The more I think about your comment, the more strange it becomes.. you guys are literally running the biggest instance, but rather than participate in the testing of big releases, you let smaller instances do it for you and then complain if nobody else is testing it at your scale. Your comments would be completely understandable if this was a paid product, but come on... Just think about it, would you also have this kind of approach for IRL community projects?

 

I will focus on Estonia, as that's where I grew up, but I assume this topic is also very relevant to the other Baltic nations.

For my whole life, I have heard horrible stories about Soviet occupiers. I have yet to meet a single person in real life who actually believed in communism or socialism, despite being raised in Soviet times and spending a lot of their childhood learning about Lenin, Stalin, etc.

I always knew that there are people out there (especially in other ex-soviet countries) who remember the USSR fondly, but I always assumed that this was more about nationalism than anything else, like "oh man it sure was great when we had a powerful military and a strong presence on the world stage". It has been a serious culture shock to discover that the leaders of the Soviet union actually seem to have believed in the project, and that elsewhere in the union, the people seem to have believed in it as well! It really gives me a new perspective on Soviet nostalgia.

Meanwhile in the Baltic countries, and especially in Estonia, all age groups, including the very elderly, treat our Soviet past as an extremely dark time in our history. Just take a look at Estonia here compared to other nations: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

When discussing this with older people, or when I hear Soviet times discussed in general, I always hear statements like:

  • Almost everybody had family members or friends deported or killed (a part of the Estonian population was deported early in the occupation under the guise of being kulaks and nationalists, except the vast majority were women and children)
  • People lost their ancestral homes and were forced into tiny apartments shared with other families
  • There were constant shortages of food - you had to know somebody in the party or somebody working in a shop to get any actual variety in your meals
  • In general, everything was super corrupt, being "well-connected" meant you had a much easier life
  • Our culture was being deleted, we were not allowed to sing our songs, discuss a lot of our history, etc
  • People felt that they had lost their dignity and were not treated in a humane way

Conversely, I have not really heard many (or really any that I can remember) positive statements.

So this is something I have been thinking about for the past few days, and it's not a topic that I can generally find a lot previous unbiased discussions on online (I guess because at the end of the day, the Baltic nations are absolutely tiny).

So: what actually went wrong? Why did communist ideology not manage to take root within the minds of the Baltic people? Maybe others here have some interesting perspectives.

One thought I have had myself:

Estonia was never a colonial power, we were in fact serfs, with other nations like Sweden, Denmark and Russia taking turns at ruling us. So when the Soviet union marched in with their army, the Estonian people only saw it as another exploitative ruler, with no interest in hearing anything about socialism. Nevertheless, this doesn't really explain why several generations growing up in the Soviet union never learned to appreciate socialism.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Heck yeah! I lived in a city with a bunch of architecture like that, always hear people saying how ugly it is, but I love it so much. Nice to meet another fan.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So many tech YouTubers are overrated, but one who really stands out to me is JayzTwoCents. Somehow I have several memories of clicking on one of his videos and being shocked at him being confidently incorrect about something. I no longer click on his videos at all.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all humans are selfish af, different cultures just have different ways of expressing that selfishness

 

This immediately made me think of the recent lemm.ee meta post, where several people were not getting what Russian propaganda looks like from the point of view of Baltic states

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you search for Russia on hexbear, you find comments like this quite quickly, like:

https://hexbear.net/comment/3738463

Peace looks like guaranteeing Ukrainian neutrality by taking NATO membership off the table and likely ceding the DPR and LPR to the Russian federation at this point.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3765816

We also get a lot of shock at the fact that some of us think, in that situation, Ukraine would have to give independence and security guarantees to the Donbas & Crimea. Many of us think that given the realities of the civil war there over the last 8 years or so, plus this conflict, it’s probably the only way to prevent retributory ethnic cleansing in the region. It has nothing to do with ideas of fairness or sovereignty or any other nebulous concept; it’s about what’s least worst for the working class there.

I've seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don't agree with the logic myself.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am personally against American invasions and am not trying to say the USA is somehow good or benevolent, I was just pointing out why outsiders may perceive some hexbear users as pro-Putin

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I've seen several comments on hexbear (I can find links if you haven't seen them) along the lines of "I'm not pro-Putin... BUT we should give him what he wants in order to end the war quicker", and as an outsider, I think for sure these comments are actually seen as totally pro-Putin by non-hexbear users, due to how trying to appease dictators has ended for Europe in the past.