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I've seen several comments on hexbear (I can find links if you haven't seen them) along the lines of "I'm not pro-Putin... BUT we should give him what he wants in order to end the war quicker", and as an outsider, I think for sure these comments are actually seen as totally pro-Putin by non-hexbear users, due to how trying to appease dictators has ended for Europe in the past.
The whole 'appeasement doesn't work' argument is understandable, but the only alternative is fighting and dying in the tens of millions in the vain hope that a global superpower will lose to a relatively small, fractional country plagued by instability, military incompetence, and corruption. It's also not really applicable anyway, while Russia is far more interested in security and stability than global domination.
Either way, there is the short-term solution middle ground of "let's negotiate on terms that help ensure everyone's future security (including at least some degree of denazification) to prevent further wars". Which I think is what most Hexbearians would want in terms of peace. Obviously the long-term issue is that nationstates as they exist are inherently warmongering and that cannot be stopped without fundamental change.
This clearly isn't pro-putin though it's anti-war. Those people are intentionally conflating being pro-putin with any attempt to stop the war because they are bloodthirsty liberals detached from the horror this is causing and crucially - they want the war to continue.
None of us are happy this war is happening. The position of trying to get it to end as quickly as possible through any means isn't pro-putin. It's pro-human lives.
Let's see those links, champ
If you search for Russia on hexbear, you find comments like this quite quickly, like:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3738463
https://hexbear.net/comment/3765816
I've seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don't agree with the logic myself.
The question was about pro-Putin. These are clearly anti-war posts. I don't think you can reasonably describe these as being pro-Putin or even anti-Ukraine.
As others have said, the vast majority of us ARE anti-Ukraine and that might indeed sound like pro-Russia to outsiders, but these posts are not it. We just want fascists removed from power in Ukraine and peace returned to the Ukrainian people. There hasn't been peace in Ukraine since 2014.
See what I don't understand is even if this were true, how is this any different than how American liberals treat countries they illegally invade? Your literal only defense against criticism is "Whataboutism!".
You will not treat America or Americans the same for occupying Afghanistan for 20 years as you treat Russia and Russians for doing something vaguely similar with far less casualties
I am personally against American invasions and am not trying to say the USA is somehow good or benevolent, I was just pointing out why outsiders may perceive some hexbear users as pro-Putin
I understand that but even you must recognize that English speakers outside communities like ours talk about Russia and China with such overwhelming vitriol they would never DREAM talking about western countries with, despite western countries doing all the things eastern countries are accused of but much worse