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The former president fired off a series of potentially defamatory statements as he arrived in court

As he arrived at a federal courthouse in lower Manhattan, Donald Trump’s Truth Social account released an avalanche of posts attacking E Jean Carroll, who is suing the former president for defamation.

A jury in New York City will determine what damages he owes Ms Carroll, whom Mr Trump defamed by repeatedly calling her a liar and denying that he sexually assaulted her.

It’s the second trial stemming from defamation claims brought by Ms Caroll, and a jury already found him civilly responsible for sexually abusing her in the 1990s. He continues to claim that he never met her and has repeatedly mocked and ridiculed Ms Carroll in the wake of that verdict.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 202 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And a huge chunk of the country somehow goes, "Yep, just what I'm looking for in November."

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

A huge chunk of the country just down plays everything.

"OH, if it's really so bad why haven't I heard about it." I just told you mf'r.

"Trump is the victim in all this." Get fucked. In no way has that silver spoon orange cum rag ever been a victim in his life. We are talking about the person that is suppose to represent and lead umpteen million Americans and you're treating him with kid gloves.

"Innocent until proven guilty." He was proven guilty.

"It's only civil court, it's not criminal." Hold still while I shove this goalpost up your ass.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

A survey done at the Iowa caucus asked "if Trump is convicted, would you still vote for him?". Only about a quarter of Republicans asked said no...

[–] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

1/4 of republicans splitting the vote pretty much means a free win for dems though. Don't let the irony of this election compared to the 2016 Bernie situation slide past you lol

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not a 1/4 who won't vote for him but a 1/4 who won't admit it.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They can deny it all they want but Trump lead an insurrection on the capitol and people still support him. Should we really be surprised though? There is a reason dictators come to power. If Trump wins you really have to start asking was our government really equipped to deal with the information age?

My answer is no and even as a kid I thought it was stupid we were so reliant on a piece of paper drafted 200+ years ago. Before automobiles. Before radio. Before the internet. When slave labor was still a thing.

Like it or not, America, it is your hubris that got us into this situation and your hubris that will doom the way of life so many have become accustomed to, even with all of its shortcomings.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 130 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So during a trial to decide damage amounts for previously made defamatory statements, you launch into a bunch of new defamatory statements?

Bold move cotton, we'll see how it plays out.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She can do this all decade long you stupid orange rapist. 5 Million. 20 Million. 100 Million. 300 Million. Keep it coming you idiot fuck.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If she's the one that breaks him we will finally have proof of the inmate goodness of the universe

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 39 points 10 months ago

"Inmate" lol

That's an amusing typo in this context.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He is banking on the publicity that making the additional defamatory statements will give him with his voting base. He is hoping that his re-election will at the very least stall all the proceedings against him, and he may even be able to quash some of them after re-election.

The more forceful he is at his defense, the more his supporters dig in. He doesn't care about defying the court, because he hopes to make the court irrelevant.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The more forceful he is at his defense, the more his supporters dig in. He doesn't care about defying the court, because he hopes to make the court irrelevant.

Unfortunately the more I read from the right the more disturbing it is. I find they want blood and punishment for all the things they find wrong and they don't want to have to deal with anything complicated again.

The most convenient lies will do and there is no use for courts as they are not extreme enough. Faces must be eaten. Sadly it will be some of theirs too.

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[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago

That or he's hoping one of his supporters will assassinate out of stochasticiam

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

You dropped this: (again)

[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

“You owe damages of $3M, Mr. Trump.”

“Well, she’s a nasty person.”

“You now owe $3.2M.”

“And a liar.”

“$3.5M.”

“She’s not even…”

“$4M.”

“This is horse…”

“$4.2M.”

“But I…”

“$4.8M.”

“You’re a nasty person, too.”

“$5M, Mr. Trump, plus you’re now in contempt of court. I can do this all day.”

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

And I'd readily watch that all day.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

You want more? You got it buster! How about a month of detention!

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I wonder how many people get what you're riffing off here.

"Mess with the bull, you get the horns."

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's campaigning. A large part of the country love this sort of behaviour and if it costs him a few mill well then donations will take care of that.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Defaming someone just as you're arriving at a trial to determine how much extra you're going to owe for defaming them again after already being fined for defaming them would be SUCH a badass move if it wasn't so stupid and coming from someone so vile..

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

When I read these things I am tempted to believe more and more that all hope in humanity is lost. I can't believe that our so-called allies in America are not able to recognize injustice and treat it the same way. Your society is finished - there is no other way to put it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Half of all Americans have an IQ under 95.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In my opinion, moral decisions have nothing to do with IQ. I think that everyone is capable of making these conscience decisions. The question is rather whether if people are still able to decide things for themselves, given all the preconceived opinions that social media et al. dictates. This is not difficult in itself: you just have to decide what is right and what is wrong.

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[–] Stanwich@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think it's possible for them to change. Their democracy is done. They are now a warning symbol to the world. I know I'll start looking into my own countries politics . I've been addicted to the shit show coming from the states. I do always wonder how more extreme it is in the news then what the average American sees.

[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

If he wins, we're done. No doubt about it. However, if we hold back the fascists this election (this includes the House and Senate,) there is a real chance at landing a huge defeat to maga extremism in '26 and '28.

Yes, you should be paying attention to your local politics: right wing extremism is on the rise everywhere.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

That's right. The USA are a good example of the downfall of a democracy. Even the most powerful in the world; and all that for no good reason - maybe pure greed or hybris or whatever; i can't make any sence of this. We can only learn from it. In any case, I am not prepared to accept this complete loss of any moral compass. A democracy should stand for all people. Not just for a few privileged ones.

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[–] Coach@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago

He's shooting people in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Judge: What are you going to do about it?

[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 44 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It would be amazing if the jury said jail time would be more effective than another monetary settlement. Fingers crossed.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Just start calling in the new jury on the campaign finance violations he's about to commit the second he has to pay the settlement. Those carry actual jail time.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Money is the only thing he cares about. Keep the fines going up. We can call it the Trumping Point: the amount of money required to make a billionaire understand consequences. Then future fines to other billionaires can just start there.

For real though, imagine the orange apoplexy if he lost all his wealth.

[–] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

Honestly, this is the entire point of fines though. We need a system where fines are determined by your tax bracket or something, it shouldn't be "ahh I can do whatever I want until the fines get close to $X million" it should be an immediate "oh i fucked up"

Otherwise, fines are just the cost of doing business.

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[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

He lost another 2 lawyers. Is there a number out there, how many lawyers he had that were withdrawing? Many withdrawing only days/ a day before a trial, which a lawyer only ever does if they are deadly ill or their client is so unhinged that they can not risk being with them in a court room.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

He goes through lawyers like it’s dollar store bronzer

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At this point i don't understand how he gets lawyers in the first place. Ok so maybe a few of them are crazy republicans, makes sense, but he has a wellnearned reputation for not paying his attorneys and I would think that would be enough to keep them from signing up in the first place.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys!

[–] nature_man@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What is with all the leniency the courts are giving him? It feels like every month its "Judge orders Trump to stop doing thing he was ordered to stop doing several times already", if I acted that way in any trial I guarantee I would be charged for contempt of court

[–] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're trying to provoke the judge so they can have room for appeal or at least fodder for his mentally stunted base. "This judge was so mean to me, I couldn't get a fair trial." Especially if they can make the judge snap at them, then that's what it's about: an unhinged, emotional, hothead judge abusing their power.

Luckily I think most of the judges smelled him coming and are just giving him all the rope he wants. That's my hope at least. Then if they do jail him for contempt they've got stacks of evidence and second chances. I may be giving them too much credit.

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

When you're famous they let you do it.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, Iowa voters!

/s

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just another reminder that Iowa voters are generally morons who back a loser more often than they pick a winner.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 28 points 10 months ago

Counterpoint: losers of presidential elections have been president as often as not in the past 20 years

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

This should surprise nobody.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

He really doesn't know when to shut up, hopefully that will be his undoing.

[–] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to have been the case his entire life so far.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In large part - perhaps exclusively - because corporate news is utterly incapable of saying the basic truth. He's a demented rapist fraud who can not stop lying.

They can't say that! They can't get close to saying that! And that is what gives him his rabid base.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

They can, but they just refuse to because they're all afraid of losing access.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

The more he opens his mouth, the more his rabid fans adore him.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hahaha boy I love this. On the hook for 10, who knows where it ends.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

This man is secretly a socialist, as he is just giving away his money.

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