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[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 188 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Alleged prospective sex buyers in this scheme first had to respond to a survey and provide information online, including their driver’s license photos, their employer information, credit card information, and they often paid a monthly fee to be part of this.”

Wait, what? (͡•_ ͡• )

That should make the prosecutors jobs much easier.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 117 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow, imagine willingly providing that information to what you know is a criminal organization. The people who signed up are obviously a major security hazard to whoever they work for.

[–] Phlogiston@lemmy.world 117 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah. This is the real issue here.

Sex work should be legal and the morality discussion here is about people lying to their spouses and if anybody is being forced into sex work… all interesting topics.

But anybody implicated in this situation needs all security clearances and access dropped because they are high risk morons.

[–] ChaoticEntropy 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's signing up to a blackmail scheme.

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[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100%. I wouldn’t even give all that information to my online pharmacist and I need some of those medications to survive.

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[–] cuibono@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Seriously. How dumb do you need to be to be in an actual high ranking (government) position and willingly give up all that info to an even slightly shady organisation? Never mind an illegal prostitution network you are sure is both illegal and easily blackmailable.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ease of prosecuting is directly proportional to how wealthy and influential the accused is.

Remember, it's a legal system ... not a justice system ... you can easily distinguish the difference by how wealthy you are (or are not)

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[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could be a honey pot. Either the guys running it wanted to use the info to blackmail the clientele or sell the info to foreign intelligence

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[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 146 points 1 year ago (47 children)

Why is sex work even illegal in the first place.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Selling is legal, fucking is legal, why isn't selling fucking legal?

-- George Carlin

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seas he also the fella that said “Getting paid for sex is illegal… UNLESS YOU RECORD IT!”

[–] vrek@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

For years I've contemplated the idea if I came into a bunch of money if starting a porn studio where the customer is an actor/actress in the porn.

We have a building and several "sets" with cameras recording, customer picks their "partner" and "set" and "shoot the porn", after they are done the video is burned on to a dvd(or blue ray or potentially put on a private file server).

The customer isn't paying for sex, they are paying for the video.

Pretty sure it would have a ton of legal push back and I would need a lot of money for the lawyers to fight the cases.

But 1. Safer for everyone imvolved(it's video taped so you won't beat/hurt/kill the other party) 2.technically legal just like shooting porn

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[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago

The underlying assumption is the same as in abortion: that women can't be entrusted with agency over their own bodies.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Because one of the biggest issues with sex work, human trafficking, gets worse with legalization. Studies across Europe have shown that countries that outlaw prostitution see a decrease in human trafficking victims while countries that legalized or decriminalized it see an increase.

Unlike with drugs, you don't just create a way to increase the supply. A very small minority of women actually want to engage in sex work. And the few who do, usually envision the high class escort lifestyle. But working in a brothel charging $100 per client isn't something many want to do.

But legalizing prostitution increases demand. Which makes it more profitable for criminals to utilize human trafficking to fill that demand.

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

One source of it.

It also doesn't help at all with protecting victims of human trafficking. Victims of human trafficking are already protected. But they don't step forward because of threats against their own well being and that of their families. Something that doesn't change just because their work technically is legal now.

Which leaves a small percentage of people who fall into financial hardship and consider prostitution as a method of overcoming said hardship. For them that might slightly improve their situation. But that still means exploiting vulnerable people and isn't people engaging in sex work because they want to. And it's even questionable if people in these scenarios would follow the legal way.

So while initially it might seem like legalizing it solves a lot of issues, it is more difficult than that.

[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Us laws regarding sex work are firmly based in puritanical values not out of any concern whatsoever regarding trafficking.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I reckon that even though sex work is legalised, and still caused issues, the problem is that there is no government regulation. It's one thing to say by the government that they won't prosecute sex workers, but if it's not regulated and abuse still happens then nothing changed for all intents and purposes. Best analogy I could think of is like allowing food factories to manufacture food, of course. But if there is no regulatory watchdog to monitor and test to make sure food factories are not putting random and dangerous stuff into food, then legalising an activity is pointless.

Basically, the sex industry having been legalised by many countries is unofficially a libertarian set up. Yeah, the government exists and allow sexual transactions between agreeing parties, but they're hands off on how the practitioners in the industry would conduct business. There is no government agency for sex workers to complain to if they're abused. I know people would ask, how exactly would the government regulate sex? That, I will leave to policy experts.

Edit: wording

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[–] stella@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Puritan values.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My bet is on America's conservative puritan history where anything good is bad.

Also sex trafficking. At least that's the argument for keeping it illegal. :(

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[–] momtheregoesthatman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Old white men elected themselves under the guise of voting (gerrymandering who?) and are too embarrassed and confused to allow women the rights they have as humans. Isn't democracy silly.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I'd say the diagram of "Why is sex work illegal" and "Why is abortion illegal" is almost a perfect circle.

It's about contolling other peoples' bodies and weakening the separation of church and state.

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[–] GR4VY@lemm.ee 129 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm assuming they're arresting the sex workers and not the politicians and military officials?

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hopefully neither, and they’ll arrest the organizers/pimps/etc.

sex workers and clients should be the lowest priority.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

3 individuals sounds like just the pimps.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

They'd probably have to confirm identities to arrest those folks, and also prove they aren't just getting name-dropped.

Just grabbing the pimps and workers is a lot easier and less case intense

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anybody remember that one piece about our servicemen being involved in trafficking women overseas about three years ago that was swept under the rug?

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only remember the rug as I’m supposed to.

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair, it did really tie the room together.

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Customers are not named in the affidavit, according to the agent, because ~~the investigation into their involvement is “active and ongoing.”~~ these are the type of people who don't get held accountable, ever.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ah, yes, 4-star generals in Procurement retiring to gold-plated consulting gigs in the very companies from which they ordered $1000 paper clips and congressional members using insider info from some congressional comission or other they're in for trading on their portfolios is all fine, it's paying for sex that's the real problem with holders of high level official positions in America.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The bribery potential of those officials violating the laws they're publicly supporting is the problem.

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The client list will likely go in the same vault as Epstein's. They're all assets now.

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm sure they'll be arresting and charging the politicians any and revoking security clearances any moment now...

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[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I really don’t understand the way the US works in regards to „bought“ sex… on the one hand prostitution is illegal (with the exception of ~~Las Vegas~~ parts of Nevada) and as soon as you point a camera on the paid fucking it is called PORN and it is still a multi billion dollar industry.

You guys are weird

Edit: changed the Las Vegas part

[–] teft@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. Parts of Nevada yes, but in Clark county where Las Vegas is located prostitution is illegal.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's very bizarre. Kinda shocking the gov't hasn't figured out the massive amount of tax revenue behind the legalization of sex workers.

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Works in other countries at least. Here in Germany they just pay income tax, like everyone else. Actually they are freelancers usually…

On the other hand, Germany is still a bit backwards regarding cannabis legalization… but we are working on it.

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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are porn producers who do such a crappy job that I’d swear they only film so they have legal access to prostitution.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It started a few centuries ago when this annoying group of people known as Puritans were expelled from their home country and sailed to north America.

The natives saved them from starvation and today still impose their beliefs and values on everybody. These hypocritical laws is but one example

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[–] tronx4002@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In this day and age where nothing stays secret, how is it hard for elected officials not do stupid stuff like visiting brothels?

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 48 points 1 year ago (14 children)

In this day and age, why aren't brothels and sex work legal?

[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Buddy, we're still working on legalizing an absurdly common plant because for a while much of the country thought it was satanic or whatever.

"In this day and age," in America, of course it's not legal yet. That is gonna take a long time.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If the girls were sex trafficked I have a problem with this, if they were free to do as they please, then I have no issue with this.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Since it’s illegal and probably secret from their wives, it opens the client to blackmail, which isn’t good for the public if they’re in government or military.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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