Political Memes

Exactly. Hamas is a monstrous organization based on the most corrupted religious fundamentalism, but I have nothing but love for the people of Gaza.

Yes, but also that hating a government (or even just decisions of a government) doesn't extend to hating people across the globe who identify with the same religion that government is using to oppress people.

(American Jew who hates what Israel is doing)

One of my favorite quotes:

If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.  - Marjane Satrapi 

Different situation, same idea.

What about all the Palestinians internationally that are currently celebrating that massacre?

Yeah, it's like picturing a Christian man wearing a maga hat, camo pants and a wifebeater he justifies the name of, surrounded by a fearfully obedient family. Like "Christian people are awesome!"

Hasidics consider the average conservative "too liberal".

Israel could start by ending apartheid and allowing the Palestinian people a modicum of dignity and representation in government, or let them have their own state.

Yeah, it’s gotten to a point where the divide is so deep and so old and there has been so much slaughter on each side that nobody is ever going to feel like “things are fair now.“ Both groups have committed atrocities, both groups have been victims of atrocities, and it’s just become a vendetta at this point with endless retaliation.

I don’t know what the answer is to be honest.

Our politicians fucking love regimes that murder reporters

The language lacks a nuance in between "intentional mass slaughter" and "systematic eradication and displacement of ethnic group."

Both are classed as genocide by international conventions, even if in our heads they seem very different.

Genocide isn't about just slaughtering people, it is also about removing and displacing a people from a region, something which Israel policy definitely and inarguably has systematically been.

If a bunch of refugees flee roaming Jewish folk running around trying to murder them (like Muslims fled India and Hindus fled Pakistan during Partition as folks of each religion roamed around trying to murder people of the minority faith) in 1948 and refugees flee the 1967 war, fearing for their safety, and then they're not allowed to return to their homes, that's ethnic cleansing. If you're constantly being pushed off your land and your home in order to be replaced by settlers of another faith, that's also ethnic cleansing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Palestinian_exodus

They aren't the root, but they're a strong enabler

Is this really a win for Netanyahu though? His intelligence branch really fucked up big time. Real winner is probably any far-right groups looking for an opportunity to spout even more nationalistic bullshit, causing even more violence.

Hamas launched a bunch of rockets from Gaza in a surprise attack on a holy day and then put ground fores in. This attack killed at least 100 Israeli civilians (Israel is also claiming near 1000 more injured) and has captured more.

Israel is of course going to retaliate and try and destroy the sites (surrounded by civilians since Hamas is known to try and use sensitive civilian locations as shields) and probably occupy Gaza in an effort to keep these rocket attacks from happening. Which will cause more Palestinian casualties, thus the cycle continues.

Hamas launched a surpise attack on Israel yesterday, invading by land air and sea.

They massacered over 300 people, injured thousands, and abducted tens more.

Some of the victims are soldiers, the vast majority are civilians.

They cut up, desecrated and paraded the bodies of Israelis in their streets while chanting and cheering.

They fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately on Israeli cities hoping to cause as many civilian casualties as possible.

There is place to criticize Israel and their crimes agains Palestinians. There is no place to condone Hamas.

Hamas are terrorsists, and it disgusts me to my core to see Lemmy cheer on these bloodthirsty ghouls.