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[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is abusing RISC-V to get around U.S. dominance of the intellectual property needed to design chips.

Noooo technology has to be kept secret so rich people can make profit, open and voluntary collaboration is CHEATING 🀬🀬 (but capitalism is the most efficient model and socialism no innovation)

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 year ago

The whole chip war was a real mask off moment for the US. All of a sudden politicians started openly admitting that they want to keep China from developing.

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

could erode the current U.S. lead in the chip field and help China modernize its military

the US lead in chip tech is already being eroded, these protectionist policies are counterintuitive, thank god the ppl in charge of the US are so incompetent lol

also β€œmodernize its military”? that’s some nuclear grade cope

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

"Uh aShKtchuAlly the hypersonic missiles run on Chinese black magic so they aren't modern"

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Next step is to criminalize FOSS more broadly for unfair competition against corporate software.. Amazing.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's kind of the logical endpoint of the argument they're making there

[–] Galli@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's less the logical end point and more the desired end goal to which they've been actively working towards for decades rationalizing each step as a necessary compromise.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I meant logically in a sense of following the thought process behind banning companies using RISC-V to its ultimate conclusion. I agree that there's nothing rational about any of this.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago

Uncrtical support for Brainrottism with Usonian Characteristics.

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It doesn't have NSA backdoors in the design so it's unacceptable for domestic use and they don't want it to take off for foreign use because then they can't spy on other countries. (Same rationale behind banning Huawei, never was about Chinese backdoors, was about lack of NATO backdoors that was the issue and always will be with any Chinese products).

Even assuming a lack of built in backdoors, the west controlling the companies responsible for these things mean they can sit in the pipe of their security disclosures and pick out zero days disclosed to the company, exploit them against enemies first before those enemies even know it. If they're Chinese companies they can't do that.

There's zero evidence China behaves like the western bandits and hoodlums and plenty pointing to the fact China keeps business (selling you good working products) and spying (gathering intelligence) separate. They won't sell you a trojan horse, they'll just hack you, having no particular advantage because of secret knowledge or back-doors. Which is the way things should be in the type of world the west claims to be for in their alleged desire for free markets and free trade.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need to get a huawei phone

[–] comradeRichard@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too! But I'm poor!! 😭

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It doesn’t have NSA backdoors in the design

RISC-V is an architecture like ARM. What are you going to do, put a backdoor in the add instruction?

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly. An add instruction, or any instruction needs to be carried out in steps within the hardware. Sometimes there's systematic bugs in these implementations that can be exploited.

Plus, it's an open architecture where those bugs can be exposed and fixed. Where in Intel/arm based architectures, they can be rolled out to the world and be used by those in the know.

Eg: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/is-the-intel-management-engine-a-backdoor/

[–] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

RISC-V being open doesn't mean all implementations using it have to be, though

There's nothing stopping a manufacturer from putting their own Intel Management Engine equivalent in a RISC-V CPU

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You are correct. I though it was copyleft GPL something.

Thanks for bringing it into my attention. :)

[–] idahocom@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The simplest risc-v implementations don't need microcode at all.

[–] idahocom@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

There's likely a lot of backdoors in x86 microcode.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

marco rubio, the absolute legend. he never misses.

[–] dmnknf@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Critical support for comrade Marco Rubio, doing his best to destroy the US from inside

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The implication that this is some sort if one way relationship where only China benefits at the expense of American corporations is hilarious.

If they honestly think that then their exceptionalism is at terminal levels.

Hilarious

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's gonna be pretty funny if they cut US companies off from being able to use RISC-V in the end

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Especially when it was a US university that developed it β€” I thought they liked β€œmade in β€˜murica”

I can't wait to watch them do this and then realize that a solid 2/3rds of modern electronics have a RISC-V chip in them somewhere because they're cheap as fuck and dependable so long as you don't need cutting edge performance.

[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

This is a weird way of begging the United States to nerf itself into being a so called "third world country" on tech

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago
[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago
[–] Life2Space@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Empires usually end up collapsing under their own weight due to sheer incompetence and arrogance.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago
[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

They're considering making my dream illegal. Death to Amerikkka!