Hey cow boy. Progressives are generally more educated and aware, so yes. Meanwhile, most conservatives don’t understand the difference between, for example, asylum and undocumented border crossings; or that “encounters” doesn’t mean “entries”; or that coming on a vacation visa from South Africa or eastern Europe and starting a business or doing modeling work is illegal.
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Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration. You're just trying a hail Mary when you got caught.
And we're aware that's violating your visa is illegal, it's no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings.
How are Navajo citizens here illegally? Which country do you think they should be deported to?:
Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration
Asylum is legally considered part of the removal process for illegal immigrants. Assuming this occurs before they're caught, why would you kick them out when they're following the process?
that's violating your visa is illegal, it's no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings
https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/
Other way around, lower cognitive abilities are linked to conservative views.
Was it like your great grandparents? Arrive at Elis Island, read "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." On the statue of Liberty. Arrive without a passport or drivers license. Get your name shortened and welcome to America? Or are you 100 percent native American?
Native Americans? Tell me, what happened to them when millions of immigrants came?
The ones with superior technology and firepower? Well the immigrants that came made contracts and treaties with them. Then they continued to break them. Your statement doesn't make you the good guy in our current situation it makes you scared and weak.
If they arrived at elis island they immigrated here legally.
Lol whatever dude it's not like the boat came anywhere else... from Europe. Enjoy being a numbered sheep in the USA such freedom and least you can make some other guy rich such opportunity.
I have enjoyed being a "numbered sheep" thanks for asking. I have a nice house, cars & wonderful family, I'm living the American dream. Hopefully you can find enjoyment from life too.
Wow I'm so proud of you. I hope that your grandchildren and great-grandchildren also enjoy your enjoyment of life and enjoying things you own. Enjoy your dream I hope it lasts long and is enjoyable.
So Europe bad? That's kind of racist.
Europe is awesome.
Its a combination of Willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, virtue signaling, and lastly, they know, they just don't care.
What an excellent question. I think most of them view it as a distinction without a difference, they don't care at all if an migrant is legal or illegal. I think they also are subscribing to the slippery slope fallacy, assuming that those who want to deport illegals also want to have citizens deported from the country.
It’s not a theory. The current Admin’s actions have caused Navajo citizens to be detained by ICE:
What reason does ICE have to detain them if they didn’t pick them up with the intent to deport them?
As the article you shared states:
Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.
I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:
Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.
You’d think they would’ve already done that as a bare minimum prior to detainment efforts.
The only reason ICE agents have to doubt these documents is discrimination, especially if these are verifiable Navajo nation members.
In other words: if you’re brown, you’d better have the papers they want you to have, which are not defined.
I disagree here somewhat. Now, maybe you know more about the background of ICE and how it's been utilized in the past, admittedly I am not. But from the outside looking in, I can't imagine a reason why ICE would have gone into reservations looking for Native Americans. If ICE usually isn't sicced on Native Americans, it would make sense that they don't have a process for validating the citizenhood of these Americans (although that certainly is quite an oversight).
As far as what documentation ICE looks for, isn't that the stuff on this list:
https://www.uscis.gov/save/current-user-agencies/commonly-used-immigration-documents
Once again, maybe they should have figured out what qualified as acceptable documentation of Navajo citizenship before detaining them for failing to provide it.
The listed immigration documents do not apply to indigenous people because they aren’t immigrants, not because they’re here illegally.
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