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[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 43 points 1 week ago (18 children)

yeah fuck this, my soul crushing depression and ADHD are largely independent of my environment. I get that this is true for some people, but posts like these make me angry.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

As someone who also has depression and ADHD. There is nothing wrong with us. It's OK to take medication to survive in an environment that's actively hostile to people like us, but it's also OK to acknowledge that if our society actually valued people we could live the way we need with the community support we need and likely wouldn't need to be medicated any more.

It's like covid, catching covid doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It means our society isn't structured in a way to prevent people from getting sick (masks, vaccines, etc) and values profits more than people's wellbeing.

[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right or wrong doesn't factor for me. I do not make value judgements about my neurochemistry, I just care about how well I am able to exist. I do not believe I'd live a happy life if I was unmedicated, regardless of our society. You are free to believe that about yourself, but I know what my untreated depression feels like—an absolutely crushing nothingness where I starve myself because I'm too apathetic to eat. I know what my untreated ADHD feels like—a bottomless pit of unmotivation and a maddening lack of emotional mindfulness. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong or shameful with having a medical condition that requires medication to treat. People with physical conditions shouldn't be told that they'd be fine if society just accepted them when the consequences of not treating their condition is misery or death. I have a physical condition that affects my neurochemistry to a degree that prevents me from being happy and living. Some people have depression and can deal with it by making concessions or exercising or meditating and I'm happy for them. Therapy helped me a lot with my depression, but the baseline miserable nothingness is still there. Some people have ADHD but have found coping strategies and don't need meds, and I'm happy for them. The D in ADHD is too strong for me to deal with on my own in any conceivable circumstance, and that is fine. There's nothing wrong or shameful about that, it is what it is, like how someone with a congenital issue might need a wheelchair. I am entitled to my own understanding of myself, the shit I've suffered through, and how I deal with it.

I absolutely agree that our society treats neurodiverse people like shit. I agree that we're generally lonely and don't support each other well. Nothing wrong at all with that premise. I categorically disagree with your statement that we "likely wouldn't need to be medicated anymore" if things were to change. I am either not a part of your "we," or you are attempting to invalidate the decades I've spent coming to grips with what I need to survive.

EDIT: I don't like being this hostile, but as I said, I am very fucking touchy about this topic. I've had enough of people assuming they know how my head works.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

Honestly, you said literally everything that immediately popped into my head when I saw this (though even more thoroughly and precisely).

[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As someone who deals with the same, I 100% agree with you. In my mind, whatever I need to survive is the “right” thing. Them throwing a “but” after the “it’s okay to be on meds” minimizes what we need in favor of what they prefer.

[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's frustrating because all these folks need to do is just use the word "I" rather than "you" or "we" when talking about their mental state. Like, let me rewrite the comment that made me so mad:

As someone who also has depression and ADHD. There is nothing wrong with me. It's OK for me to take medication to survive in an environment that's actively hostile to me, but it's also OK for me to acknowledge that if our society actually valued people I could live the way I need with the community support I need and I likely wouldn't need to be medicated any more. It's like covid, catching covid doesn't mean there's Something wrong with me. It means our society isn't structured in a way to prevent people from getting sick (masks, vaccines, etc) and values profits more than people's wellbeing.

They'd probably go on to say "this is how I feel about it. I don't know if you've considered this, but having this mindset has been hugely helpful for my life" and then I'd say "oh yeah I have thought about it and that just doesn't work for me" and we'd be on our merry way. To me, that is not invalidating or invasive or presumptive or whatever. I might feel a little irritated, but lots of things do that and it's fine. Regardless of whether or not I agree with the axioms this comment is built on top of, I can respect that it is someone opening a small window into their mental state. Like, shit, who the fuck am I to tell this person that they'd need meds if they lived in a better world? I'm just some dunce on the Internet who isn't going to lecture someone on what their lived experience is like.

I just wish that folks would realize that other people have different experiences and requirements for happiness and health, and that not meeting those requirements/having those requirements met is, as I understand it, one of the definitions of trauma. Having to live my life unmedicated was traumatic because my brain does not work in a way that is conducive to happiness. Please don't try to tell me otherwise.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Some of my meds, sure, but others are no doubt helping regardless of the late-stage capitalist hellscape.

Yes. SSRI isn’t a “make you happy pill” it’s legitimately something countering a physical problem with serotonin production in the brain.

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[–] A_Pile_of_Frog@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Oh no, a solution that helps me to not be a blob, laying in my bed, womdering if should i even get up. The horrors of therapy actually helping me to get shit done.

God, i hate anti-therapy or anti-meds posting.

[–] khaliso@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Both can be true at the same time. Therapy and meds can be wonderful to help create a better world than the soul-crushing dystopia we're currently heading for.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nothing here is anti therapy.

And I wouldn't interpret it as anti meds either. It's just pointing out the absurdity of a society that's so miserable it forces people to seek medical attention just to exist. Any rational society would change until people are happy.

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[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

I don't think it's either of those things. We all need to cope. The meme just laments that coping is necessary

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The problem is that those it doesn’t work for just get told to keep trying. Just keep throwing money at something that doesn’t work. “Try therapy” is almost a thought terminating response to any problem.

It’s wonderful that medication and CBT work for some. They do not work for me, and that’s something I know because I’ve tried and tried and tried. But the only response I’ve gotten when seeking support is the “try therapy and meds!”

There’s also a substantially amount of privilege in being able to access therapy and medications. They are not universally accessible. If you are LGBT in a rural area, the “problem” that they will try to fix and medicate you for will be that you are LGBT. Most therapists in my area do not take insurance because getting it covered is complicated and my state is attempting to get therapists notes entered into a publicly accessible database. I’m losing insurance this month, but even with insurance before $500 or so a month to try to get my brain working, especially when it hasn’t been fucking working because my problems are external - like what’s the fucking point?

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, I'm anti-meds for treating exogenic issues when something can be done for those exogenic issues.

If I'm sitting at home with the heater on and I start feeling warm and flushed, I wouldn't take an ibuprofen (as an anti-pyretic) to bring my temperature down, I'll turn the heater off.

It's the same for mental health, if the sole source of the stress/sorrow is external, medication is nothing more than a bandaid, which is better than nothing if the exogenic influence is outside your individual control (which it often is)..... But we are at a point where the majority of people with mental health issues are experiencing a level of exogenic influence and there are enough of us that if we organised we could change the factors that are causing or worsening our mental health symptoms.

So it bears talking about, is medication always appropriate?

Medication is important, especially for endogenic conditions, and medication is life saving. But if you have exogenic depression and the meds aren't working, the new prescription is protest.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TBF there is something to be said for coping with and learning to live in the world you inhabit, not the world you wish it to be.

Doesn’t mean you should stop trying to make the better future happen, but contribute, don’t just wait for it to magically happen.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The issue isn't the fact that the world is bad; it's the fact that there are evil people out there actively trying to make it worse (Trump, Putin, etc). I feel like it would be a lot easier to cope with a bad world compared to an evil one.

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is what is breaking my mental health.

Life is not guaranteed to be good, nature is cruel and has no rhyme or reason. People die and suffer in horrific ways every day because of nature.

Why the fuck are we adding to that cruelty!?

The chaos of the natural order of the universe sucks and you've got to learn to cope with that. But I've always found that side of life easy to accept because it is so inevitably universally unavailable.

I was born with a genetic illness, it causes lifelong disability due to structural deformity, but can also just randomly cause fatal aneurysms in young people. That's nature, that sucks, but hey, what are you going to do? Figure out how to do what you need to do to live and live it.

But then I'm born into a country with no disability discrimination laws, and no right to access laws. Fortunately we had public healthcare and public disability services, and public welfare services, and when I was younger a disability act was finally brought in (though it's often just lip service)

Growing up I felt safe and secure knowing I had a good social support system...but the public disability services shut down and was replaced by an insurance model, the public healthcare has been functionally split to a semi public copay system and a private paid system, and the welfare pension is so far below the poverty line that people on a disability pension don't earn enough money to meet the eligibility for public housing.

(yes, You can be too poor, for public/social housing.)

And it's one thing for law and legislation to lag behind the needs of the people, it's another thing altogether when an individual or small group of individuals in power systematically impose laws to remove the support and resources you used to have, for barely no more reason than "they want to".

I can't help but feel that a significant portion of my suffering is the result of the few people in the local conservative government that shut down the public disability service providers because it was "costing too much" .... Even though the insurance model they replaced it with costs the government more and supports less people than the previous system, and supports them less effectively.

And how do you live with that?

Like it's one thing for nature to have cursed me to suffer, but a human being heard my story, and countless stories like mine, and still said "nah, fuck em" when it came to vote.

We are living with psychopaths and sociopaths in complete control over our lives. The suffering is happening for a reason, and the reason is that those who are causing the suffering are enjoying the situation (because it gives them money, power, influence, or straight up sadism)

How the fuck do you reconcile that and "learn to sit with your emotions" in one CBT session and in the very next session my therapist is going to teach me about "enforcing my boundaries".... How do I enforce my personal boundary to get the homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic and ableist government to stop abusing me? Oh, I don't, I sit with that emotion.

I can't afford the pills they recommend.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Real Photo of a True American Patriot, circa 2025 (colorized)

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The game came out in 2008. I can't believe it was that long ago.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

They don't even do that. They just take the edge off enough that I don't actually try to throw myself off a bridge.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

yes AND please pleeeeease try meds if you and your doctor think it could potentially help...

...but also yes

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Better to not be miserable and still work to better society. Depression will just be an obstacle

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is a huge issue. People really do stop when they are hopeless and it really messes you up. Optimism is hella dorky and feels dumb and wrong to a lot of people, but it's not just a low IQ take for nerd ass dicks it's also a necessity you need to protect you from shut down and languishing in your own endless dispair. You HAVE to be hopeful. You HAVE to look forward and you HAVE to believe things can get better in order to move forward.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This has been so much of my problem with therapy. It’s the shit situation that needs to be fixed. If I was currently in a home that belonged to me, knew that I would have food next month, and wasn’t terrified of being arrested for now carrying “wrong” documentation… I don’t think I’d need therapy. I’ve got a fuck load of coping mechanisms, but journaling and art don’t beat hunger and fascism.

Weed just seems better than anything else I’ve tried. It makes various physical pains go away. It makes food palatable. It makes sex better. It makes every film high cinema. It unlocks creative freedom. Video games are like stepping into a new world.

I don’t understand why replacing 50 mg of THC with whatever mg of Wellbutrin or Lexapro or whatever is the “better” solution. I don’t understand why CBT is pushed as the “gold standard” to the point where practitioners will lie on intake and say they don’t push it.

And as someone who has taught research design and statistics, taken graduate courses in social science research… so much of the base frameworks in psychology have very little evidence. Things like the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram just were not good (or ethical) research. Freud was so full of shit it’s funny that his name is a letter away from Fraud - look into how he treated the victims of sexual assault. A lot of surveys and instruments have questionable validity (cough, cough IQ)

Fuck, I was helping a girl work through a psychology textbook, and it basically claimed that girls didn’t get autism because they are naturally more empathic.

In southern states too - the bulk of providers are the Dr. Phil type. “Tough love,” hypocrisy, and dubious sexual ethics. Institutions are prisons. Most mental health crises end in jail.

Mental health care is seriously fucked and maybe that’s why the situation is so shit.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to skip over everything else in your comment, but 50mg?! I would die lol

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wrote that comment on 50 lol.

Best paper I’ve ever written was done over 36 hours on a couple of addy, three pink Monsters, several shots of rotgut vodka, and 200 mg THC spread over the course of it.

500 mg is where I get fucked up. I did 1000 mg once and experienced the Christian hell. 50 mg is like being a normal human being.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

That's crazy! I take 5mg and I am no longer a functional human being. What can I say, I'm a cheap date 😂

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[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They don't actually work... your just miserable AND have dry mouth.

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[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

L4D was a phenomenal game. I wish I could go back in time and get a group of four of us together to play the way we used to.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

There's new games out with the same vibe, try uh, Helldivers 2 or that WH40K: "Darktide"

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Killing Floor 2 is a good zombie fps that I think rivals L4D and L4D2. Excellent gunplay, multiple classes. Six player co-op, runs well even on potato, goes regularly on deep discount Steam sales.

[–] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've tried countless prescriptions. None of them did anything helpful and a handful of them were a nightmare to come off of. Doctor's literally just throwing random pills at me telling me to "try this one and see if it helps."

Nothing helps.

[–] Ze_Rosie_Ro@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago

It is wild to me that it’s just a guessing game for them, when were the ones stuck with a new pill and all the possible side effects that come with (not to mention the prescription cost) just for it to probably not work, and then onto the next pill on the list.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But it's more profitable to keep people miserable and medicate them!

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Where's my orgy porgy ffs

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