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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If only they spent nearly as much energy combating the republicans

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 56 points 1 month ago

We are going after republicans by attacking independent parties, sweetie the-democrat maybe-later-honey maybe-later-kiddo

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago

no can do, we need a strong republican party

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

every country needs a left and a right wing!

In the meantime, USA:

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or you could just try not sucking so hard that tiny 3rd parties can "spoil" races for you.

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m just here to lodge my support for the format of posting just the punchline and the blank meme

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] jack@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

It's often enough to simply say "guy thrown out window for good idea meme" or whatever

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Libertarian got more votes than the Green Party candidate. If they had banned all third parties, those voters probably would have went R and the Dems would still have lost.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Libertarian at least also are anti-genocide shrug-outta-hecks

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but only because it would cost them too much money

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Somehow that's a better argument than watching libs rotating around black hole named empire, and acting like bibi-masterfully-lied-to-us smoll beans

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't know anything about that race but I'm willing to bet nonvoters outnumbered Green Party voters by at least one magnitude.

Okay for shits and giggles I looked it up. Sources some local news and nbc. Keeping in mind Casey (D) lost by a margin of 15,115 votes:

  • Total registered voters in PA: 9,161,978

  • Total votes cast: 6,963,137

  • Nonvoters: 2,198,841

  • Green votes: 66,388

Also just looking at Democrats specifically:

  • Registered Democrats: 3,971,607

  • Votes for Casey (D): 3,384,180

  • D voters who sat home: 587,427

But yeah Green voters totally cost you that election bro

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The monstrous Greens gobbled up almost 1% of the vote. Is the DNC afraid they'll break the 1% barrier or something?

Is my math right?

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

0.95% of the vote, which NBC generously rounded up to 1.0%.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 56 points 1 month ago

Try taking the gloves off against the fucking Republicans

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wild to assume that the votes cast for the GP candidate would have defaulted to D. I hate it here.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The party who's only appeal is a protest vote against the Democrats?

[–] regul@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

The Green Party exists to do lesser evilism if you can't vote PSL.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago

Wonder why they don't go after Republicans as aggressively as they do "Republican enablers" thonk

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Republican-enablers'

projection levels off the charts, just like the hitler particles hitler-detector and what's up with that ' ? Was that just a typo or is there some arcane grammatical nerd reason for it?

[–] courier8377@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Possessive, referring to the infrastructure (object of the verb dismantle) owned by the rep-enablers. Hence rep-enablers' infra

πŸ€“β˜οΈ signing off

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean there is tons of libs who blame KPD for NSDAP victory, so this is the level of political education in US mainstream.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

"This party cost us an important election, we will ruin them"

"Oh, so they won?"

"No...."

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It is known: democrats do not value democracy, they value control.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

they don't even care about control all that much, in terms of winning races and seats. they care about absolute control within their own party, but don't really mind if they're in the wilderness fund raising for years

[–] JohnBrownsBawdy@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Control of what? The party? The ability to keep the donations flowing?

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The one thing the Democratic party has going for it is absolute whip control over membership and reps.

You rarely see Democratic reps stepping out of line. With some exceptions from independents running as Dems.

The Republican party is a disorganized mess by comparison.

(This is by no means an endorsement of the Democratic party, and more just an observation of how they all fall in line immediately when given orders)

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Manchins, Sinemas, Fettermans and Liebermans of congress might seem like they are acting out of pocket, but they all take orderly turns as the rotating villain to block anything that capital doesn’t like. They are still obeying the Democrat leadership

It's all a play. The Democrats are terrifyingly good at operating as a hivemind. The Republican party is trying to achieve the same thing by closing ranks within their party and following godking Trump. When he dies in the next 2-4 years, they won't have anything or anyone that can hold them together.

Meanwhile the Dems can operate on autopilot and just do exactly what the donor class wants with basically no input because they're led like dogs from the media and donor events.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

James this is ridiculous. The Green Party and the libertarians are allowed to exist on the ballot

The job of the DNC isn’t to teach a political science class - it’s to win elections. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

no YOU'RE enabling the Nazis frothingfash

xi-plz send the troops straw-hat-republican-army

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

when you believe in Democracyβ„’

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Where wer yuo when democracy was kil :(

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Lol the gloves were never really off to begin with but okay