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[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

They're getting rid of their only competent troops lmao

[–] StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 16 hours ago

Critical support

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 4 points 11 hours ago
[–] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 13 points 15 hours ago

thats my president

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 49 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Look this probably is going to be an unpopular opinion, and I know this is part of a wider attack on trans people which is obviously fucked, but the world would be a better place if literally nobody was in the US military. We mock Israel for their army of idpol genocidaires.

Maybe if we’re lucky he’ll kick women out next, which will eliminate a quarter of their troops. It was basically only allowing women into the military that has saved the all-volunteer US armed forces from the absolute collapse in recruitment.

Edit: reading the other comments turns out this is a cold and popular take. Thank you my echo chamber friends

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's very funny when chuds complain about women in the military when you're 100% right about them never reaching targets with just men and it was a practical solution to shore up the power of empire without offering higher pay and shit.

Cuz it turns out it's a tough sell to ruin your knees and be scared of fireworks till you die for a college scholarship and you couldn't save as much pay as you initially planned because you had to live off post because there's black mold in the barracks and a whole host of other shit

So, dear chuds, by all means do whatever reforms you want that will ultimately make the military perform worse

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Less rainbow imperialism. More of the mask slipping. More and more difficulty for the west to use "human rights" rhetoric as a cudgel without looking oh so two-faced to the entire global south and even many in the core.

I'm not sure if he actually does it though. If he does it's for his base and some of his wack advisors as he absolutely 100% does not give a shit about trans people one way or the other. His focus has always been anti-immigrant racism.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 32 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

15,000 out of about 2 million? Are trans people disproportionately represented in the military?

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 26 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7906232/

https://priceonomics.com/how-the-military-became-the-countrys-largest/

"Notably, transgender persons appear twice as likely as members of the general population to serve in the military"

Past reading about this on reddit, it appears a ton of transfems enlisted in the military as an attempt to "save their masculinity" pre egg crack. No idea about trans men

AFAB trans are 3 times more likely and AMAB trans are 1.6 times as likely

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 18 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yes. But the US rate of openly trans people is like 6 out of 1000. The army is 7.5 out of 1000. So it's not a huge margin when we don't know how many stealth, closeted or eggs in either population.

Edit: I used the above figures in my maths, but it's a bit higher because the military is like 1.4million. which is just above 1% or 10 out of 1000. But the comment still stands that in the military where you can't exactly be stealth, but you were also safe to be out of the closet for a while recently, it might not be that different from actual rates.

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 34 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It’s difficult to drum up any sympathy for anyone who joins the US military and wants to stay there, trans or otherwise. Not enough animosity for the troops to celebrate blatant transphobia, though.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 35 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is an extremely good policy.

The Trans class traitors and murderers are forced to be normal civilians instead of bloodsoaked fiends and the facade of Rainbow Capitalism will start to crumble, so that anti-imperialist resistance no longer will tend to take a reactionary edge.

This would be a massive blow to pinkwashing and the PR apparatice of the Fascist American state that uses LGBTQ+ people as shields.

It’s win-win. Saves trans lives, starts to destroy Rainbow Imperialism and Pinkwashing, and forces Trans Liberals onto our side

[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 11 points 18 hours ago

Agreed 1000%.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 105 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Making trans people with combat knowlodge unemployed for a transphobic reason doesn't seem like a good idea.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 65 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

chuds in the US military will never do something good, there's a whole thing about homeless "veterans", never saw them revolt

[–] grendahlgrendahlgen@hexbear.net 39 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The Bonus Army did, and the feds gassed them in the middle of DC.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Bonus Army was filled with ex-conscripts. Modern veterans were all volunteers, so they are bootlickers or selfish opportunists at heart without any type of solidarity. They lack the ingredients for an uprising

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 5 points 16 hours ago

People can be radicalized within the service, like Aaron Bushnell.

But absent conscription I don't think the armed forces are fertile grounds, which is an absolute shame.

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[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 30 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

We actually did have unemployed (a lot of homeless as well) veterans revolt back in 1932 during the Great Depression, demanding early payment of their service bonus certificates.
About 43,000 of them camped with their families on the White House lawn for a while, and the president at the time, Herbert Hoover, sent tanks and bayonets in and they killed a few people and injured dozens. Patton led the charge and Eisenhower wrote the military report endorsing the action (though he claims he told Patton not to do it). It was called the "Bonus Army" if you want to do some more reading.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

1932, that's older than Joe Biden Also it's ignoring an important part, most U.S. army members aren't from poor families anymore, most can afford not killing kids for a job.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 21 points 19 hours ago

They were also conscripts from WW1, not volunteer mercenaries who joined up with glee to kill Muslims

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[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 39 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, it seems like a tactical victory for communism

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 28 points 22 hours ago

at the very least a great opportunity for agitprop

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 28 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I hope any of them with good opsec manage to leak a whole bunch of classified information on their way out.

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 26 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We have Chelsea Manning, but what about Chelsea Manning 2

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[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 66 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

This would be great if he would just kick out the cis troops first.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 25 points 19 hours ago

Yeah I support banning trans people from the US military. I also support banning cis people too

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 81 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 30 points 22 hours ago

Fucky, you beat me to the punch

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[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 35 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I don’t think Trump genuinely believes in or cares about the cultural issues that he instigates. He’s going to do random, relatively minor bs like this at home while actually starting WW3 somewhere in the Pacific. And just like his last term, the media and collective public will entirely focus on the distractions and not the main things he is doing.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 24 points 19 hours ago

Trump overruled the Miss Universe organization to let a trans woman compete in 2012. He is a giant fucking lib but an even bigger grifter

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 18 points 19 hours ago

The media want WW3, so why would they attack Trump for that when that’s the only time he “acts presidential” is when he’s ordering assassinations against Iran or military shipments to Taiwan

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 21 points 21 hours ago

Or say they support him acting presidential and stately for terror bombing another country for bullshit reasons

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago

I think its the exact opposite honestly.

We know from reports that Trump gets very easily bored and distracted by military briefings and stuff. I can't imagine him having the willingless to sit through hours of briefings every morning. Heck I'm pretty sure the Russian ICBMs got him at least a decent briefing already.

He can't escape that and its torture for him. If given the choice I'd expect him to instead focus on the easy Ws by focusing on the domestic issues first. He will try to delegate FP as much as possible and this is the real problem, things that technicaly have presidential approval but the president spent all morning on twitter.

Still every serious actual step towards WW3 involving NATO involves him dealing with stuff he doesn't care about. I doubt he wants to sit in rooms full of massive Euro lib turbo natoheads at all.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 23 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

“Posts”

Keep in mind that there are a ton of bureaucratic, non-combative bullshit jobs in the military as well and I wouldn’t be surprised if this framing leads you to believe that only actively deployed troops will be affected

Aside, but this is also a good example of how consent-manufacturing isn’t always intentionally nefarious but sometimes the result of incurious journalists (more and more these days)

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Good because this will probably weaken the military along with his purges. If it makes the military less competent, I'm for it.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

I sincerely disagree. 15,000 members of the US Armed Forces do not move the needle on the US' imperial might (which ultimately is predicated on financial domination and vassals, not military prowess). 15,000 marginalized people within the armed forces, however, represented a prime tactical advantage for a revolutionary political movement. See: Aaron Bushnell.

Obviously we can talk back and forth all day long about how the US armed forces can never be truly radicalized because of their position as footsoldiers of capital, but the hard material reality is that the American left is deficient in firepower but the military is full of possible fellow travelers. Remember that the Chinese Red Army was mostly made up of Nationalist deserters. How do you expect to be successful without a significant fifth column?

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 37 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Those 15,000 aren't just combat roles and grindable meat; a lot of them are in support and technical roles. There are a lot of roles in which removing 1 person creates a sizable inconvenience for many and can harm operations. You are correct that trans people are overrepresented as saboteurs in the military, but almost all of those people joined pre-transition and seeing the contradictions of US empire radicalized them. The trans people who have transitioned and then joined are more often than not dyed-in-the-wool believers in the US empire who don't have the same opportunity for radicalization.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

lets not do clean wehrmacht but in the USAF now.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Remember that the Chinese Red Army was mostly made up of Nationalist deserters.

Well yes, but as socialists we should be strategically in support of universal conscription. A volunteer army is not likely to produce these results...

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[–] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago

I'm fine with a tiny 15,000 of those "possible fellow travellers" getting a good dose of reality to leave the Wehrmacht- and ideally in the process, the contradictions and lies or the empire also being pushed forward a bit moreso into the minds of any such others with the same potential (human decency/empathy).

Also, IMO- it does not do our community (the trans community) globally or even within the US/west any favors IMO, to have token Uncle Toms joining in the empire's war machine, whatever their motivations. Just like Isntreal flying the trans or rainbow flags is no benefit- or like how Obama's election did no favors to the black and African communities within the US or outside it (as an Asian seeing what he did to Africa's most developed country and black wealth/homeownership in the US I have said I hope I don't see some Asian POTUS), etc.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 66 points 1 day ago

part-of-history but backwards

[–] HumongousChungus@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

wait should I enlist just so I can sue when this happens

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 15 points 18 hours ago

no because if it doesn't go through you're fucked

[–] red_stapler@hexbear.net 56 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I was going to post something like “yay no :flag_trans: imperialism”; but this is going to mean 15000 more unhoused people isn’t it?

it’s also a bad sign for us generally when they don’t even want to try to convince us to do rainbow imperialism or buy things, which is where it seems to be going

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