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Some Arab Americans who voted for Trump are concerned about his picks for key positions (apnews.com)

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Summary

Arab Americans who supported Trump in battleground states like Michigan express concerns over his key appointments, particularly pro-Israel figures like Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, and Elise Stefanik, who oppose a two-state solution and back Israel’s actions in Gaza.

While some voters hoped Trump would prioritize peace in the Middle East, his picks have fueled unease about his administration’s direction.

Outreach leaders like Massad Boulos, who engaged Arab American communities during Trump’s campaign, have yet to secure roles, leaving some supporters questioning their expectations of Trump’s policies.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 137 points 6 days ago (1 children)

maaan… how the fuck are people this uninformed about who donald trump is and what he's about? did all these people think supporting him would curry them favor, and make their people safer than if a less insane candidate took office? like, i geuinely don't understand how you hear what this motherfucker says and not realize his whole entire deal i hating people who aren't cishet white men. like i can get my friend who the first ever election she voted in in our country was 2016 when she grew up with different formats of propaganda, but he was president for four years, and this go around he's been more mask off, and the people saying he's dangerous have been more direct in their messaging.

like… how are people this illiterate beyond just reading comprehension? like, why don't you got anything comprehension, what is this?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 102 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

54% of American adults have the reading comprehnsion skills of a 5th grader, or worse.

How?

Republicans have spent many decades defunding public education, with no effective pushback.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Republicans have spent many decades defunding public education

Republicans have also spent many decades developing psychological operations aimed at controlling the news and churches.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, this as well.

All while the Democrat strategy was to... not do any effective counter propoganda at the same scale or in the same manner whatsoever, keep relying on the traditional media outlets that they also simultaneously know are dying and becoming more biased against them.

But then they also do a surprise pikachu face when the mediums they know are dying and irrelevant... don't reach people.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (6 children)

They simply don't have the funding to do the same operations at scale. Which is the whole point. Recently it was found out that Russians were funding Tim Fool and other right wing influencers to the tune of nearly $100,000 a week to put out a barely edited propaganda video once a week. Every two weeks he made as much money as recognizable notably left leaning media members like Sam Cedar earn in a year.

People keep posting about how Democrats keep breaking fundraising records. They only break them once every 4 years generally. And those are only the records we're aware of.

Between all the dark money behind groups like Fox News, OANN, daily wire, The Blaze, and millions of other smaller propaganda Outlets. None of whom turn a profit on their own or make money. They are funded through wealthy Investments because they know the propaganda pays dividends.

Democrats haven't had funding like that since before Reagan broke the unions. Which is specifically why Reagan broke the unions. And a lot of our problems can be traced back to the loss of Union power and Union fundraising.

You want to know why Democrats don't pay a lot of attention to the unions anymore. This is why. The unions and people in general cannot even begin to compete with the amount of money sloshing around out there for conservatives. And that's why Democrats have been out there so busy chasing it. Until we get rid of money in politics. Or actually find a way for regular people to begin to push back in similar ways there won't be a change.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 21 points 6 days ago (7 children)

we're going to fix this. i don't know how yet. and it won't be easy. and it won't be short term. but we're going to fix this, so read to a kid. make them remember reading time as the best part of their day. make them love the things AI can't twist: physical artifacts

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I appreciate your optimism, but my realism says no, no we probably won't.

We've got a maximum of 20 years, probably closer to 10, before millions, and then tens and then hundreds of millions of people around the world will be starving to death and attempting to mass migrate due to climate change, which we will not stop or mitigate.

Governments around the world will continue becoming more authoritarian.

Maybe we can make small, individual differences in our personal lives, but no, barring a worldwide overthrow of capitalism in some way that also does not result in a collapse of mass agriculture...

No, we are looking at famine, destruction and chaos, and decent, critical thought oriented education will be an even more minor funding priority for all but the ruling class and their neo-nobility children.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 days ago (5 children)

we have two options to follow. we can do everything we can to make things better, or we can do nothing and everyone dies. personally i do not consider the latter viable. the former requires instilling hope that better things are possible. and here's the thing: if we all band together against authoritarianism we will reach some people who are currently not awake to the possibilities. to reiterate, it will not be easy and it will not be short term, but if you ask me of the two possible outcomes, the one where everyone dies or the one where everyone gets to be free, i prefer the one where everyone gets to be free. so i'm gonna do everything in my power to bring that one to pass, even if it's hard, unpleasant, or at times like right now seemingly impossible, but keep in mind every group faced with destruction passed down the messages they felt were most important, and always the message of the value of hope makes it through. hope is ultimately a weapon of resistance, one i refuse to give up

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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also, vote for levies to fund local schools.

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[–] islands@lemmy.cafe 66 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Did they forget the Muslim travel ban he tried to do in his first term? It was one of the first things he did in office. He has already told you who he is multiple, multiple times.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Trump just got reelected. America forgot about Trump's first term...

It's absolute insanity...

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 days ago

America lives its life one quarter ~~mile~~ at a time... Nothing else matters: not the mortgage, not the store, not my team and all their bullshit. For those ~~ten seconds or less~~ three month, I’m free.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago

When you consider the drugs and toxins we consume, it isn’t that surprising. I feel like I blocked out a lot of memories from his first term, but I still had enough left to know it was a nightmare I didn’t want to repeat.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 78 points 6 days ago

As an Arab-American myself, I say fuck them. They deserve all the shit that's to come their way. The dude said it loud and clear "let Bibi finish the job". I know the Democrats didn't do shit either, but at least they never said they wanted to deport everyone, which means you'll still have a fucking voice. You can protest them when they're in office. He was very clear with his stance on minorities. Some of them argued with me about "nuclear family and religion" and fucking bullshit. Dumbasses, you don't need Trump to have a nuclear family and have your religion. It just never makes sense to me.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 72 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't understand how any Arab American could think Trump would advocate for peace in the middle east.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

he talks about peace, but it's obvious from the context he means the kind of peace hitler meant: the kind where everyone is dead at the end of the grand all consuming war

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I can’t believe those people took Trump seriously. The same guy who literally instated a muslim ban and uses the words arab/muslim/terrorist interchangeably.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 6 days ago

the lesson here is "gotdamn is propaganda effective, even to get people to do the absolute dumbest shit"

so start putting out messaging about how… not to be a shitty person where people who aren't guaranteed to agree with you will see and hear it

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago

This is not unique to Arab Americans.

There is a decent amount of Ukrainian Americans who support independent Ukraine, but also think Trump would stop the war and be a better choice for Ukraine. Although it seems that this is somewhat less common than in the Arab American community (I could be wrong).

This is of course complete bullshit. Trump is a corrupt American oligarch with degenerate tendencies. Oligarchs protect their gangs, expand their territory and give kickbacks to partner gangs (e.g. allowing unsafe "full self driving" rules for Elmo's organization). This is not even a Trump or American thing, this is universal.

With respect to Gaza, the Israeli oligarch gangs have far more money and influence on Trump's crew. Then there is also kinship ties.

But this was a shrewd move by Trump's crew. I think some proportion of the Arab American community will become life-long supporters irrespective of what happens in Gaza (I think their concern for Gaza is a bit more nuanced than what one may think at first glance).

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 6 days ago

Leopards got your face eh

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People kept saying, right up to the election, "don't vote for Harris because she supports genocide."

Those people got what they wanted and yet they're suddenly very unhappy about it. Interesting, isn't it?

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They were living in their own alternate reality where they changed the system by doing nothing lol

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My favorite ones were the ones who said to vote third party and when you asked them which candidate, they would say it didn't matter.

Because that's how elections are won.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Notice those people are silent right now.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 51 points 6 days ago

You were warned.

You refused to listen.

You refused to look at the evidence staring you in the face.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

some Arab Americans who voted for Trump

I mean, I lack respect for anyone voting against their own interests. The rock you must be living under to vote for this dude with such mountains of bullshit behind him is immense. Maybe some leopard-face-eating will change things.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)

“I just want you to think about what the alternative was,” said Abbas, referring to the current administration’s handling of Israel’s war in Gaza and its invasion of Lebanon. He added, “What did you expect from myself or many members of the community to do?”

I see Abbas is still in the denial stage.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

They're always so eager to never once think critically and to always let themselves off the hook. I'm sorry, but on the brink of societal and ecological collapse, I equate those who refuse to think with those who actively destroy.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

“I just want you to think about what the alternative was,” said Abbas, referring to the current administration’s handling of Israel’s war in Gaza and its invasion of Lebanon. He added, “What did you expect from myself or many members of the community to do?”

"Think of what the alternative is" is exactly what we were saying.

People are stupid. And because of that, we'll suffer an incredible amount of harm that very easily could have been avoided.

[–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 34 points 6 days ago

It's fascinating how he didn't permanently lose the vote of the entire US Muslim community when he, you know, tried to institute a Muslim ban.

(I'm aware that "Arab Americans" doesn't equal "Muslim Americans" but there's a lot of overlap.)

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

German jews who voted for Hitler got concerned soon after the elections too. Many ethnic Germans too, but all they had to do was say "ich hab es nicht gewust" afterwards. The second World War has been so well documented. Yet many still haven't learned anything from history.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Remember how after 9/11 Republicans wanted every Arab and Muslim dead? Did these Arabs forget that?

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Remember the fucking Muslim ban during Trump's first term? These people must have.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Voters in general have a memory of a goldfish. People vote on immediate concerns and issue. To be honest, if Democrats had a stronger backbone to stand up to Israel, this would not have happened.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

GOOD. fuck everyone who voted for fascism. i look forward to reading about their dismay at the realization of just how fucked we all are

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

If the left can organize to transform this disappointment into actual resistance, that will be worth something. Right now I think mass civil disobedience is the only thing that can really slow down the implementation of fascism, but it needs to be organized and we don't yet see anyone stepping up to organize real resistance.

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

“I never thought the Leopards would eat MY face! Even though they specifically said they would and campaigned on eating all faces, I didn’t really think that they would be so focused on eating faces, especially not mine!”

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Yeah?

Trump is not concerned with your opinion.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't care lol, he's doing what he said he would. Thanks for voting! Enjoy your prize!

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[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 6 days ago

🎼 Don't it always seem to go...

That you don't know what you've got, til it's gone...

🎶 They paved Palestine to put up a parking lot.

[–] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

You get what you fucking pay for.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

It was a power pyramid scheme. They thought they'd profit from aligning with him. That's the betrayal the leaders are feeling.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Enjoy Muslim Ban 2.0

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Some, with faces made of leopard food, considered the slight possibility of maybe one day starting to consider regretting enthusiastic vote for their own faces to be served as main course at leopard dinner...

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Guys I got this pet face-eating-leopard and it keeps trying to eat my face. :(

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I don't wish any negative effects to all the people in Gaza and the West Bank. I do, however, wish that the people who voted for Trump have to experience the kind of pain that the people in Gaza and the West Bank will experience under Trump. All these fuckers are safe over here and won't have to endure the kind of torture that voting in Trump will bring.

They protest voted against Harris because she personally wasn't stopping a war she had no power to stop, with the only alternative being the guy who will accelerate that war. They deserve everything that comes to them while I laugh in their fucking faces (at the same time crying actual tears for the victims of their betrayal over in Gaza).

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trump is incredibly pro Israel.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Trump's plan for Ukraine is to give Putin everything he wants, and for Gaza and the West Bank it's to give Netanyahu everything he wants. That's what Trump has always meant when he says he can bring peace.

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