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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 96 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I did a two-year post-doc in a climate modeling lab at a major research university studying exactly this proposal. I have peer-reviewed publications on it. I cannot overstate what a bad idea it is. It would kill--at minimum--tens of millions of people, and set off the worst refugee crisis the world has ever seen as global precipitation patterns shifted--and those are the effects we know about. Once we start it, we will have to run it indefinitely or incur absolutely apocalyptic snap-back temperature increases.

Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don't implement this sometime in the next 15 years. It's cheap, effective at controlling temperature increases, and will let us continue to kick the can down the road for meaningful climate action.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don't implement this sometime in the next 15 years

sadness-abysmal

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Ah but have you considered I still want my funkopops delivered with same day amazon delivery

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It would kill--at minimum--tens of millions of people

What is the mechanism for this?

[–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Shifting precipitation patterns.

Drought in moist regions, floods in arid regions, massive shifts in farming methods that would be necessitated by famine/crop failure, drying of wells and rivers that provided drinking water.

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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Do you have sources to read about this? I'm very curious about it having seen it bought up over and over again. Always thought that it was gonna blowback on us bad even if it bought some time

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[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 93 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I remember back around maybe...15 years ago or so? There was a lot of fearmongering about the Bad Guy Countries potentially doing this because they want to be "lazy" and don't want to invest in green energy.

Well, now that China is the #1 producer of green energy, suddenly all the capitalist bootlickers are insisting we should scorch the sky Matrix style to own the commies.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They actually said that? Pfft. That's rich.

I had to see a both sidesed video in school where it presented one of the drawbacks of green energy as "will we have to say goodbye to the American way of life?" Even I saw the situation as American businessmen and governments alike simply being too lazy, too hedonistic to do the right thing. We all know it's the right thing to do, but nope too lazy.

Even as a liberal kid that was an enthusiastic yes from me. Brits were on one side getting unviersal healthcare and living in a beautiful country with tons of architecture and I'm stuck on some boring ass shithole with nothing to do but go to walmart and consoom corn syrup?

Sorry, my inner BMF was coming out.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 78 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I suppose if I was this much of a ghoul, I'd also be deathly scared of socialism because there's no way someone who's ready to gas the whole planet is only a Nazi about this one specific thing.

[–] BeanBoy@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

I think I see a negative externality on the wall over there. Maybe he should go and get a closer look.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 71 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

By the way, Ive been saying for years that they are 100% going to do this shit. They are going to keep the pedal to the floor on carbon emissions until it becomes impossibility to ignore any longer and then sell this as a magical technocratic solution. This is going to be a liberal consensus position in like ten years

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 65 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Note that the "negative externalities" are implied and not listed.

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its pretty clear what they are: freeze peach no iphone vuvuzela

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In tech

Are you sure you and your lot aren't just trying to sell us something? I think people forgot there's other smart people in the world other than folks in the tech industry.

[–] FunkYankkkees@hexbear.net 68 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The tech sector seems to have a high concentration of people who believe that because they understand one complex thing, they must inherently understand other complex things
"I can program well in 5 languages therefore my opinions on economics are valuable"

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Most engineers I’ve met are a fantastic example of the need for mass re-education.

Probably some of the most dangerous people in the current day and age. Imagine having the knowledge allowing you to get work where you do something like develop weapons of mass destruction used to vaporize entire communities and ecosystems (ooh didn’t realize how this can be equally applied to car manufacturers and military contractors what fun!) and using THAT background as some sort of proof that you’re an expert when it comes to everything.

Enraging doesn’t even begin to describe it

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[–] NPa@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago (7 children)
[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't China produce more new solar capacity than the rest of the world has like every year?

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

Yeah but why wouldn't they want to spend a bunch of money to make their solar panels 1% less effective for the benefit of the US imperial order? Just makes sense really.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 months ago

"Relatively wealthy"

It's probably appropriate for Americans (and Amero-weebs aka "guys who think they're on the team but absolutely are not" (looking at you Eastern Europeans who love America)) to stop this cope over PERSONAL WEALTH and consumption as a measure of a nationstate's wealth overall.

By every measurement I can think of and data exists for, China's population is "wealthier" than America. Oh, except in the areas of, you know, the shitty things. Like concentrating wealth in a top 1% and top top 0.1% of families. Or endlessly consuming shit for no purpose other than to distract from your meaningless life. As far as what I'd call true measures of a nation's wealth, things like (nutritious) caloric intake and availability, literacy rates, availability of healthcare (meaning the cost as well), child and adult educational opportunities and attainment, public works projects like building roads, energy grids and production ability, building rail and high tech trains... on and on. America has been declining for at least ~50 years in all of those areas. As in it just gets worse and worse. While China has been going up and up and skyrocketing in the recent decade or two.

This kinda cuts into the roots of the "GDP discussion" or rather the insistence of capitalist-minded (or biased) economists and random people on using the irrelevant GDP figure to "show" that capitalism and the US/EU specifically are "superior" economically. Goes back to the USSR as well and now days it's still moronically being clung to. A measurement of economic consumption means nothing about the "wealth" of nations. Unless your only measure of wealth is how many PlayStations can you buy...

Of course all the discussions of economics between US/China also leaves out the obvious history of one nation being a settler colonial slave state turned into dominant imperial power post-world war 2. That only makes the current state of the US more pathetic. The biggest head start perhaps in history, built on immeasurable human suffering, only to throw it all away so that Elon can jump on stage and try to do an X with his body, while people are homeless on the streets and the state can only find endless funding to support genocide. I don't think future civilizations (or whatever species might replace humans as the dominant intelligent life form if we blast ourselves from existence) will even believe what they are reading when they learn about the last few hundred years. It's just beyond comprehension

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 61 points 2 months ago

yeah, we should totally reduce and disrupt the constant source of clean, pure energy streaming into the earth which drives the biosphere's staggering complexity, so we can keep burning the concentrated, dirty pockets of stored and buried sunlight from millions of years ago that is overheating the place and polluting our bodies, air, land, and water.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is a whole ass type of guy all by himself.

"Negative externalities" jfc.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Especially when talking about air pollution, the literal textbook case of negative externalities. Just throwing bad sounding terms at things you don't like.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They genuinely think some bazinga movie plot involving aerosols and asteroid mining is a more realistic way of fighting climate change than overcoming capitalism zizek-preference

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[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We don't know who struck first—Us, or Them—but we know that it was Us that scorched the sky.

[–] Feline@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

The capitalists are conspiring to block the sun like they're Mr. Burns 😭

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Blue skies? A sacrifice this guy and his friends in tech are apparently willing to make -, for all of us

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tech people don't go outside so they think they'll be fine

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh you want blue skies? There's a VR-based software solution for that

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[–] theredchecker@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 2 months ago

This guy writes like he just discovered these words a few minutes ago and is trying to use them everywhere he can.

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is just robotic engagement farming, right?

Like, who actually goes on Twitter to write about what they care about? Honestly why does it exist lol

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Not only that but every reply is either a Trump ad or a chatgpt bot

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe this is below criticism, but saying "all the smart people I talk to in tech" has no clear difference from "all the people I agree with who I talk to in tech" when you're making an argument like this.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe dudes in tech aren't the people you should be discussing altering the climate with, maybe climate scientists? Idk just a fucking thought

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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've seen the aerosol hes talking about that is a very temporary solution and pointless for longterm if you don't cut emissions.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who says 'externalities' belongs in prison

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You didn't make exceptions based on context, sorry, get in the Gulag

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Death penalty for tech dipshits who would rather do geofascism than ecosocialism.

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Entire chatgtp data centers dedicated to clapping like seals and propping up techbros egos.

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[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Treating the symptoms while ignoring what caused them to begin with

I'm sure endless, systemically driven greed won't cause any other issues, no sir. And that's presupposing his theory would work to begin with

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[–] underisk@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Smarts don’t make you an expert on climate dynamics, and I don’t trust some guy on Twitter to be a good judge of “smart”. The phrasing is pretty telling though “smart people I know”, vs “people smarter than me” means he’s including himself among the “smart people” pushing for this.

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