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[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 77 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Look at China, over there building infrastructure and improving the living conditions of their citizens, menacingly.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

Their dealings with other parts of the world like Africa is coming from a place of cooperation and mutual respect; utterly barbaric!

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 4 months ago

[Narrator's Voice] purchasing oil in yuan instead of petrodollars

[–] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 74 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Capitalist fascist USA with its so-called "threat" from communist China and nukes... are we literally in the Fallout timeline? strangelove-wow

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 32 points 4 months ago

2077 is optimistic

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

certainly looking that way

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What threat from china? They're just chilling.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They committed the ultimate sin, the highest crime, the most heinous act of depravity: they're not letting Wall Street pillage their economy. The empire must punish them.

[–] Lester_Peterson@hexbear.net 59 points 4 months ago

I used to think that one of the worst takeaway of the Nuclear Arms race was that if you do nothing about an existential threat to humanity long enough, it will eventually go away. Now I realize the average Western leader who lived through the Cold War has decided its real meaning is that the risks of nuclear weapons don't need to be taken seriously because there's no chance they'll ever be used.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 52 points 4 months ago (5 children)

How are europeans not marching to take those ppl out of power and dismantle this shit? Arent you guys afraid of the conflict?

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

From what I hear from people IRL?

No. Not even because of a belief the west will win. Lots of people seemingly don't care if they die.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Lots of people seemingly don't care if they die.

"Our government and the media assures us it's worth it!"

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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Generally:

  • People believe the propaganda that China is doing something threatening, though I don't get what that would be.
  • They lived thru the cold war so they think nothing will happen and there's no reason to worry (because apparently the reason nothing happened during the cold war was that those who were against nuclear holocaust did nothing instead of political agitation and a lot more).
  • They say something like "eh they're just doing it to get reelected, besides all politicians are bad"
[–] sgtlion@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Plenty countries marched for it en masse decades ago. Nothing changed. Marching achieves nothing anymore, not even riots (see: French pension law).

Violent political suppression is just too strong in Europe, the people have little say anymore, even with direct action.

[–] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Like the 80s were wild. Incredible movies like threads or testament. Stay at home moms tiring themselves to military base gates and intercepting shipments and waste dumps.

None of it worked and we got so complacent when the Cold War ended. Nothing threatens them. Unions and direct action campaigns are honeypots waiting to be turned inside out.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 months ago

Organize unionize strike is the power we have until the proletariat is ready for armed struggle

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[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The ultimate irony will be when the US starts a nuclear war and finds out most of that 50B$/yr arsenal maintenance just gets spirited away and there's only a handful that function.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean they haven't had much luck with testing launching the nukes, I think only one out of four actually launched?

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago (6 children)

A handful is still enough to end the world.

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

NATO demonstrates why the solution to the Fermi Paradox is that civilisations destroy themselves before they become an interstellar civilisation.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It would be extremely funny if humans are the only ones in our Galaxy that nuke ourselves

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What if humans are famous galaxy-wide as one of the most brutal species on record and we've been under an age old quarantine so total and extensive that if we learned even a fraction of the details it would make our heads spin

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[–] JayTreeman@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Talking with a friend who's very anti china and Russia, I asked what it would take for him to think that NATO was pushing Russia to use a nuke. 'Nuclear sabre rattling' was his response. Well, here you go friend.

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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Maybe China and Russia do need to first strike the West for their own protection, NATO is fucking unhinged

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

When I first saw that title I thought this was about Russia, then I saw that preview sentence and it's like why the heck are you pulling the nukes out on China? And why nukes? Is genocide Europe's answer to everything?

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Is genocide Europe's answer to everything?

can americans just once in a while look in a mirror and see this is all the entirety of the "the west" has ever been?

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago (6 children)

China needs to urgently reassess its no first strike policy and then number of warheads it publicly claims to have. It's rapidly becoming clear that both are seen by NATO only as a sign of weakness and not as a genuine desire for peaceful coexistence.

If NATO wages nuclear war on China then it will not stop until Chinese civilization is wiped from existence. The proportionate counter value threat to that is not China wiping out the US, or the UK, or France, but all colonial vestiges of Western civilization, irrespective of whether or not those vestigages are nominally participating in the war. 300, 600, or even 1000 warheads are clearly not sufficient to carry out this exchange.

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[–] healthkick@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Who the fuck is Stoltenberg to make this decision for Europe?

I hate AfD and the other right wing parties of Europe, they’re definitely fascist and a bad thing for Europe.

But fuck man at least they don’t want nuclear war.

I’m not even asking for an actually socialist left anymore just give me some centrist socdems who aren’t willing to send us all to the wall for the sake of US imperialism. Why is even that too much to ask?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 4 months ago

Indeed, like the bar is so low at this point that the choice between parties that want a nuclear holocaust and those that don't.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 months ago

Why is even that too much to ask?

Because all the previous centrist socdems.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

When you can't win the game fairly, it's time to piss in the pool everyone uses.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

I fucking hate this doomer

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

love to die

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Made by our very own @Eugene_V_Dabs@hexbear.net who sadly got clapped by youtube at the behest of the BBC, I have an archive of all of them including the one that got him banned.

https://mega.nz/folder/A6pgwS4B#TwrgIUczRfH1QtclfyU84g

This link has all of them.

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[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

It's so comforting knowing we have no agency in this. Even though it's sabre rattling

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

One day closer to nuclear bliss posadist-nuke

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago
[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

bro i just got not depressed, can we hold off on ending the world for like a minute

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