this post was submitted on 22 Apr 2024
888 points (99.2% liked)

World News

39000 readers
2334 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

A German politician has been filmed taking large sums of cash from a Kremlin-supporting broadcaster, Czech intelligence has claimed.

Petr Bystron, who is standing for Alternative for Germany (AfD) at European parliamentary elections in June, allegedly received €20,000 (£17,000) in cash from the manager of a Russian propaganda network while sitting in a parked car, recordings indicate.

Mr Bystron, who also sits on the Bundestag’s foreign affairs committee, has previously denied allegations of taking Russian money as a “defamation campaign”.

The Security Information Service (BIS), the Czech Republic’s domestic intelligence agency, now says Mr Bystron met with Artem Marchevsky, who allegedly managed a Kremlin-backed propaganda front called Voice of Europe, at least three times in the past six months.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 147 points 6 months ago (1 children)

AfD, fucking russian stooges.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Of course fucking of course, I wasn’t askin’ I was tellin’

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 127 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Some user at a .ml community the other day was mocking the idea that Russia was trying to destabilize Europe, comparing someone else's depiction of Russia as if it was an EU4 country. This is another piece of evidence that Russia has been financing far right politicians, parties and think tanks in several countries, including Germany, France, Italy and Spain.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 105 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Despite being on .ml, there's a real issue with Tankies here. They hate the USA which...like fair enough, not exactly a paragon of virtue them. But then they go waaaay the other way and think China and Russia are utopian meritocracies, it's fucking bizarre.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 69 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's a very common mental trapping in humans where, once you've identified a serious problem or antagonist, you immediately become more sympathetic to its opposites or declared rivals. A lot of them had a genuine, valid concern with a capitalist society that was screwing them over, turned that into an identity, and ended up in echo chambers where that fallacy wouldn't be called out. It's difficult to get them out of there because they feel like they have to defend their identity and their social group, so in the rare cases where they meet someone who does understand and share their valid anti-capitalist positions but is capable of reasonably calling out their campist bullshit, they immediately jump to think it's just "another lib" and refuse to engage.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

That tracks. Though I'd say it's often less "refuse to engage" and more "refuse to engage in good faith". They definitely engage enough to yell things with fingers in their ears.

[–] Blackmist 24 points 6 months ago

From their basements in Utah.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

Turns out Russia sucks pretty bad at real war but they've been excelling at these shadow ops for quite some time. The fact that they've bought so many plants in the US government is a sign of the success they've had.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There is a strong argument that Brexit was the result of Russian influence.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If this could be proven, I would hope the punishments would be extreme. Brexit (and the conservatism that caused it) has practically ruined Britain.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It basically "was" proven through exposes through Cambridge Analytica, Arron Banks, and their ties to Russian benefactors. There are also strong ties of Russian influence to notable political influencers like Nigel Farage, alongside those that provided funds to the Conservative party.

I don't think it's really possible to get more proof outside of Vladimir Putin literally stating on the record that he was involved.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 100 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Can we finally ban this anti-democratic, Russian-psyops-spreading POS of a political Party? I fucking hate the AFD with a burning passion you can't imagine. Everyone who votes for these fuckers just need to fucking cope that the war is over. Democratic Germany best Germany! Get rekt fascist keks.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Democratic Germany best Germany!

While I agree on the AfD sentiment, we're not exactly living in a democracy. When money/corporations have way more influence on politics than voters, that's not even remotely resembling democracy.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] avater@lemmy.world 85 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Funny isn't it...all the time our right wing assholes talk about foreign traitors but in the end it's always them. I bet their Nazi grandfathers are rotating in their graves at lightspeed 😂

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 66 points 6 months ago (4 children)

So, in Germany, does anything happen to this Russia war enabler? Or is it like America where someone just screams "both sides" and "but his tan suit" and all courts and laws get disabled?

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 48 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

My guess is if this blows up enough and the far right can't simply deny that it happened any more they will distance themselves a bit, perhaps throw him out.

Its just lip service though, the party is in large parts propped up by russia, and the members are all either corrupt shitstains doing the same as the guy who got caught or brainwashed idiots who themselves are the best argument against democracy and equal voices for everyone.

The same playbook as your Republicans

[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

We call them "exceptions" here, they'll kick him out and say everyone else of the AfD is not like that. People will believe it and keep voting for them even harder because now. It's a shit show.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Well, his party is trying to make people forget he's in there for fear of losing votes. Given that this party is the "presentable" face of the hard right I hope he gets as much media attention as possible.

Not sure anything is going to happen to him personally but he's a politician and this is corruption so probably not.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My logic says yes but mostly it's gonna be PR issues. But reality says there won't be any other consequences because politicians don't like to oust other politicians and courts don't wanna get involved with separation of power issues.

So no but yes but no.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, Germany's conservatives take payments from Putin just like U.S. conservatives, but how many handjobs have they given in a theater full of kids? They need to step up their conservative game.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Pedophilia has a long and storied tradition in German politics. It's just part of their culture.

From the late 1960s until the early 1990s, with the authorization and financial support of the Berlin Senate, Kentler placed neglected youth as foster children in the homes of single pedophile fathers with the ostensible purpose of resocializing them, while explicitly encouraging sexual contact between them.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Jesus fucking christ. What a horrible day to be able to read....

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Are you seriously saying that the guy who was in contact with a Russian propaganda outlet was involving with Russia?

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Fades@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

oh look, it's

another CONSERVATIVE TRAITOR

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The AfD isnt conservative. They are facist to neo nazi.

Bernd Höcke is best friends with nazis and is allowed to be called a facist

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (9 children)
load more comments (9 replies)
[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's happening all over the world.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's crazy how little it takes to buy these fucks off. Like setup and GoFundMe and just bring out the bribes into the open at this point

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is AfD, our resident fascist clown party. At least we have a coalition based democracy, so it's unlikely that they take over the less fascist “center”-right party.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This isn't a uniquely German problem >.>

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 54 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yes, but it's important to know all details about each case, including nationality

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

Before Ukraine Russia funded right-wingers because they were anti-EU. Some of them were quite open about it. I don't think anything has changed. Money just takes a longer route and people keep quiet about it.

[–] Vub@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

So BIS/Czechia need to release the video to the public, not just claim they have it.

I hope there will be plenty more information on these nazis coming out before the elections.

[–] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How surprising... not. Here in hungary also the state party (fidesz) and their puppet party "mi hazánk" is controlled by putin

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

European thinking politicians consider €20.000 a "large sums of cash"?

That's cute.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

A common theme in politics around the world is that you can buy politicians for a shockingly low amount of money. In the UK we've had politicians paid off for similar amounts, or politicians bought for £100k for basically their entire career.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You should see how many American politicians are just as corrupt for less money, I was surprised when I saw Devin Nunes was only making $15K from one of the bribery schemes that was supporting him while he was in Congress. I guess it all comes down to knowing your worth to the scumbags you work for. 🤷‍♂️

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

This is actually a sign of rampant corruption. Bribery is a tight market, and with a lot of politicians willing to accept bribes the cost drops significantly. It's one of the few areas where capitalism behaves as believed.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

It's not a large sum at all. That's one of the most shameful facts of all these corrupt shitheads. They sell their countries out for such a pittance.

[–] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You'd be surprised how little money it takes to influence a US politician

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've had the "pleasure" of rubbing elbows with a few of the people currently engaged in ~~bribery~~ political donations. I hear the going rate is about $10k and a nice meal.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

That's the thing. Campaigns are super expensive AND the politician doesn't get to keep the money, so if you can find a politician who takes cash payment it's way cheaper than "legitimate" political spending.

It's in a twisted way a major reason mega corps like the massive expense of lobbying and PACs. Bribes are cheap and anybody can do it, but pulling together millions for PACs and campaigns is something smaller companies and individuals can't do.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] l10lin@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Don't know what can 20k euro achieve. Russia must be lacking of money.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

This may have been one of a series of payments. This is only one that leeked.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›