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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 58 points 5 months ago

Republicans aren't pro-gun. They're pro-republicans-with-guns. Maybe pro-straight-white-christians-with-guns.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I like guns too. I shot them at a range and I'm pretty good. It's like a video game where you make you're breathing right and all that jazz.

If someone asked me if I wanted to fire guns but also children were to die in schools due to unfettered gun access thanks to those rules. I'd say, thanks but no thanks.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

No but you don't understand -- fixing the "children die in schools" part would be inconvenient for gun owners. They'd have to do things like "wait longer for a gun" or "prove they know how to handle and store firearms" and ultimately, isn't that a bigger tragedy than the murder of someone else's kids?

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 months ago

Yup. If you're "pro-gun" in the same sense as republicans then you're pro-death-of-children-and-other-innocent-people

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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 52 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Go far enough left, you get your guns back.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

  • Karl Marx
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

You don't have to go particularly far.

Just stop having a hard-on for the cops and suddenly guns regain a lot of their appeal

[–] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I mean, you brought it on yourself. If you live in the U.S owning a gun should be controversial. Ya'll have proven incapable of using them responsibly.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Here's the real problem. Guns are basically dangerous tools, and should be treated as such. Instead, they have a cult of personality. I've got no problem with people owning knives and hammers, but if some dude has a bunch of pro-knife, and pro-hammer stickers on his car, joins the knife and hammer Association of America, regularly shows up to angrily protest restrictions on where you can carry knives and hammers, walks around with a concealed knife and hammer at the mall because a box or nail could be around any corner... I might start to think that nut job should not be allowed to have a knife or a hammer.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did you write this? It's a perfect analogy.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I did physically type it out. I doubt the idea is original, I'm sure I've heard similar sentiments elsewhere, but at this time I cannot attribute it to a particular source.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

You think our gun problem is bad?

Wait till you see our cruise missile and killer drone problem.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

No, no, look, if we let our gun culture get even more out of control, it'll loop back and become responsible again.

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[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (25 children)

I'm not an american and guns are not legal where i live. And i'm sorry but most people in the world are way to daft and angry and should NOT be allowed to be anywhere near a gun.

And no, just because someone with a gun would want to hurt me but then i would have a gun too, is not a valid response. I'm not gonna survive a shootout. I'm not john wick.

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure you're correct. If you're from a European country, chances are you have very good gun laws, and a lot of people in your country own guns. The difference is, you also a have working healthcare system that helps people with psychological problems.

I live in Sweden. Most people would assume there are no guns here, but I can tell you that's wrong.

I train with them a lot, so if and when I need to, I can safely use them.

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[–] uienia@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I am a bit curious where you live. Most places with decent gun control doesn't outright ban guns, you just have to earn the privilege to own one, and you can't treat them like toys.

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[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 28 points 5 months ago (4 children)
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sounded good on paper but those workers kept their guns and still gave the government and capitalists everything they wanted without a single shot fired.

All you're doing is posting a picture of Marx with an example of him being wrong.

[–] spiderwort@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Oligarchs discovered that you can achieve more with propaganda. And cheaper.

The rebellious youth got utterly subverted, for example.

(Yes yes, rage on about your gender and haircolor. We'll just keep running the world and squeezing the underclass)

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[–] endhits@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Thanks, Santa. Very cool.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 months ago (18 children)

i just want to be left alone, and i want other people to be left alone, and i want rights, and i want other people to have rights.

Revolutionary concept.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm pro-do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-as-long-as-it-doesnt-harm-or-negatively-affect-anyone-else

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[–] 5PACEBAR@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

I'm so far left that I got my guns back 🙂

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The only sticking point is the guns.

I joined up with liberalgunowners on that other site for a while, thinking I might find kindred souls that were pro-shooting sports, but understood that the way we handled gun ownership in this country had some problems.

Nope.

They were just as devoid of nuance and reason when it came to gun ownership as the conservatives. They figured slapping a rainbow or a “no step on snek” patch on their molle tacticool gear was good enough, but thoughts and prayers if a gay nightclub got shot up.

So yeah, I think guns are fun and have a place in hunting and other sports. But not like what we’ve got now.

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm a gun enthusiast. I really like the laws the way they are now as they relate to me. So I get it. But how many mass shootings do we need before we admit there's a problem right now? Maybe far in the future we can consider relaxing some of the regulations again. But right now, something about the current social situation is basically creating domestic terrorists. We need to start locking things down until it stops.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How can you be anti something another person chooses to do privately with their body blows my mind

How you can be anti able to end others lives using a tool specifically crafted, to not hinder or disable, no but end other peoples ability to continue breathing and living, is beyond me

People have such paranoid hate towards others and then treat themselves like shit and rationalise instead of just fixing their own doorstep before attacking others

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There are dozens of us! Tbh, there are lgbt gun clubs afaik. It’s just not a mainstream position, but eh dgaf

Well, as long as the owner instills good discipline and is responsible

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There’s a comedian that pointed out this is why conservative groups garner so much support.

“Do you oppose abortion?” “No.” “Do you hate the gays?” “No.” “Do you think illegal immigrants should be shot?” “Yeah.” “Well, COME ON DOWN!”

Meanwhile, liberal groups after asking about 18 issues: “Are you vegan?” “No.” “Well, I BET you voted for TRUMP!!”

I miss when we could find common ground in politics.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Meanwhile, liberal groups after asking about 18 issues: “Are you vegan?” “No.” “Well, I BET you voted for TRUMP!!”

No shortage of carnivore liberals.

But I'll never understand why declining to eat meat upsets people so much.

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[–] force@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i think most liberals hate vegans but still applies

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

My carnivore friends are massively more evangelical than my vegan friends. Just my experience I guess.

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 7 points 5 months ago (29 children)

I just want my gay married friends to have guns to protect their kids.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love guns. I adore guns. Guns are great. They're fascinating pieces of engineering, tools, and exercises of skill. I would never own one (to my great regret) due to the increased risk of suicide from gun-owners, but I think that responsible gun ownership is a great thing and a cultural cornerstone of Americana.

But no one in the US who claims to be pro-gun should be allowed anywhere near a gun.

Maybe in some frozen waste like Canada where it's not completely piss-easy to get a gun, one can describe oneself as pro-gun. But in the US? No.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh it's piss easy to get a Gun in Canada... You just have drive down to the States.

Seriously though around 70 percent of guns used in criminal activities up here are traced back to sources in the States and were never legally imported, purchased or even stolen from homes inside Canada. When people point at us and say "Gun control doesn't work see!?" it's in part because gun trash bleeds over boarders.

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[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I'm pro using torts to make everyone in the chain of a gun tragedy pay for their externalities. Didn't secure your gun and got it negligently stolen and someone was killed? That'll be bankruptcy. Marketed something you knew would kill someone unlawfully? Good luck staying in business friend.

It'd be interesting if folks had to pay for the real cost of gun ownership.

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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

There’s hundreds of us!

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It's ok you can call yourself a leftist...

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