It's been difficult to broach the subject and explain the technical concepts to the average person. I did have some success in first sharing the email comparison, which lead into interoperability.

I'm just curious to hear people's success stories, if you have any.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So far I don't. I'm still learning the platform. So far I think what I imagined Lemmy to be ISN'T what I imagined it as. It COULD be that. It chooses not to. Not only is there a lack of organization, but also the policies of the platform basically PROHIBIT them from becoming moderated in a fair balanced way. Yes I see that modlog. It does nothing if the moderation team is also corrupt.

I'm not saying it currently is or isn't corrupt. Thats not the issue. The issue is, a lot of people come from reddit because their automod is now banning things due to bad AI. Even if you appeal, they claim a human looks at it, but that's not true.

Instead, I come to Lemmy, thinking that each instances mod team ONLY had control over their instance. If that mod bans you, I THOUGHT they'd only ban you from that instance. You take your account to a new instance. Their mods could then choose to accept your migration, or deny it. You find an instance where a human reviews your reason for being banned, and if you did anything wrong you'd be rejected there too. If that instance finds you did nothing wrong, they accept you.

This allows mods to keep power over their individual bubbles. Yet not have the ability to gain authoritarian control.

And yes, it ALSO means that users who do ban worthy offenses WOULDN'T be banned platform wide. And at first glance that sounds wrong. It means that yes, the far right would have a place to fester. But also every other instance would defederate from that one instance. So they would essentially be an echo chamber that the rest of lemmy would never see. It also means if you're on an instance that is turning into a place you don't agree with, you can migrate before that instance becomes defederated.

As it is now, this is just reddit, with more steps, and more confusing.

[–] technomad@slrpnk.net 8 points 5 months ago

I really don't agree that it's 'just reddit with more steps...'

This place really feels different to me, and better. I like it here. Sorry you've been having mod troubles. I've not run into problems there, so can't really relate.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That level you describe also exists -- instances are self-policing their users, though it's an admin thing, not a mod one (mods are for communities).

lemm.ee just posted some numbers for the year and after kbin.social, which seems to get many spam accounts, they're mostly banning lemm.ee users for misbehaving. No great need to ban .world users because .world admins are keeping their own ship clean, "are your users a bother to me" is a big factor in federation politics.

OTOH not giving communities the ability to police themselves would leads to problems because the only way to deal with anything would be to choose the nuclear option: You might get heated in a discussion about your favourite comic book character and lash out, calling people names, but otherwise be perfectly reasonable, the mods temp-banning you from their community is the right approach, there, not making you switch instances, or depriving others of the furry porn you post to the same instance as the comic community is on, or whatnot.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying thats mods/admins shouldn't have the ability to ban you from their community. Temporarily or permanently.

I'm saying that, to take your example, you get into a heated debate over a comic book. And the mod or admin there bans you. Not from their community, not from their instance, but from ALL of Lemmy.

That's what I think shouldn't happen. I don't think ANY admin or mod should be able to ban you from the whole platform. They can certainly ban you from their space, but not from all spaces at once.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They can't ban you from the whole platform it just so happens if some admin wants you gone chances are your home instance admin wants you gone, too.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Alright, now if your home instance mod bans you, you can then still log in, and move your account to a different instance then, right?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not exactly sure but often the whole comment history is nuked so there's really nothing left to migrate.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

They already can't do that

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

you can move your account though, there are buttons to export and import on your settings page

it won't bring your post/comment history with you, but it will carry over your subscriptions and saved/bookmarked posts/comments

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They need to make the next update allow the transfer to include EVERYTHING. Posts and comments too.

I think that may be the most important update we need.

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

would be cool but I don't think the ActivityPub protocol allows that

it's kind of outside of Lemmy's control

personally I don't care that much about post history or karma or whatever