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As a Veteran who has PTSD and does not do well on 4th of July. I fought for people's freedom. Let them enjoy their fireworks and I'll stay on my farm fat away taking care of my turkeys who also hate fireworks.
I never really thought about farm animals and fireworks. How about chickens/horses/etc?
I heard about horses dying from the stress caused by fireworks. It can also be hurtful to wildlife.
Who had their freedom threatened?
Iraqis. Look up Saddam. Then look up AQ. There's a reason the local militias ended up working with us instead of against us.
Look up how many Iraqis were fucking killed by America and tell me how those hundreds of thousands of corpses are so fucking free now.
hurr durr i fight for iraqi freedom to be subjected to neoliberal economic imperialism
Wow, reading more about this... Turns out AQ wasn't in Iraq until the US got there! Guess those must have been some clairvoyant Iraqis who felt threatened from the future?
I never said they were there before. Saddam was there though. That honestly should have been reason enough. Getting Saddam out and then abandoning them to AQ and/or Iran would have just been idiotic. If you want to rant about america bad then go talk shit about Bush lying to start the war.
I dunno man, kinda think "idiotic" sums it up pretty well
Not everyone can do that. A form of entrainment doesn't override the right for someone now to experience ptsd episodes in their own home.
There is being considerate of other's life experiences and then there is being unreasonable. There's so many things that can trigger PTSD in people, are you suggesting we stop doing anything that may trigger someone's trauma? Some people get triggers from benign things (my mother used to suffer traumatic flashbacks from certain smells such as wet mud, I get panic attacks if someone comes up behind me and touches me, I've met someone who gets triggered by cars backfiring or balloons popping). The point is that fireworks, mud, people touching you, and backfiring cars are a part of normal life. There are a TONNE of possible triggers, we couldn't possibly avoid every one of them for every sufferer out there. It isn't up to the rest of the world to change their lives to revolve around us and our issues. It's our own responsibility to try to cope and deal with our problems as best we can. It sucks. I say this as someone who suffers from severe PTSD/agoraphobia among a number of other mental health issues that I have been working on for many years. It's really unfair that this has happened to us but it's also not fair to expect everyone else in the neighbourhood to stop having fun because we are sadly conditioned to have a traumatic response to something.
People associate trauma with other things they were experiencing at the time. To remove all triggers is to remove all experiences. Of course we can be considerate, but there is a limit.
So you're basically saying "Yes, it's a problem, but it doesn't affect me personally so let it be"?
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I make sure I’m not around for anything I am personally unusually sensitive to. Can’t expect society not to do any thing which anyone anywhere might not like.
How do you propose someone makes sure they aren't around any people who might be setting off fireworks? Are all veterans automatically wealthy enough to be able to stay in the middle of nowhere for two weeks??
I’ve got an idea, how about we do like Covid lockdowns but like permanently and no one’s allowed to do anything. That’ll solve it.
Oh how I fucking wish, that was the most wonderful time of my life. Peace and quiet,, for the first time ever.... it was beautiful.
I love how you chose the middle ground. Clearly there is no other option between people deciding to not use fireworks in a city and another lockdown.
What are the other options? You freaks obviously want to dictate how normal every day people go about their lives. I thought you’d get an erection over the idea.
How about people just stick to the rules and do their fireworks on the one fucking day they're supposed to go off. Be it 4th of July in the US or NYE here in Europe.
But hey, just like with the COVID rules, people just can't manage that, right?
Wow is this guy missing the point. Most of us who have PTSD are very happy that people have the freedom to do their foreworks
[citation needed]
I'm glad it's not an issue for you out there and think it's mighty chill of you to put others before yourself in this regard. Cheers and raised glasses all around, genuinely. But it's also not really okay for you to speak for "most of" everyone who has PTSD and doesn't have a far-off farm to escape to. I've seen some people very close to me get incredibly messed up during impromptu neighborhood fireworks shows.
I feel like fireworks aren't covered by the 2nd amendment. I have spoken to plenty of veterans who were miserable when fireworks go off. They didn't go through hell to relive it. You act tough but it's not healthy.
did someone say thy are?
That's a huge assumption not based in any sort of reality.
And, based on your replies in this post, I have no idea what Liz Lemon sees in you.
lol you got me Im a special SGT in the Mcgyver branch of the 32nd infantry Battalions special forces division
In all honesty im not here to have to prove myself to a random internet stranger. I have a DD214 to prove my time active duty and one from my deployment with the reserves. your right I guess speaking for most. I know lots of guys who like people enjoying their freedoms within the law. illegal fireworks are definetly a problem and I have no idea where you are in the country or your laws around here and most of the 6 states ive lived in it usualy dies down around 10pm and Ive always made sure to go somewhere and do something that keeps me busy. just because I have a problem doesnt mean the whole world has to stop enjoyin themselves
You're right I was in 8th Space Infantry division as a shuttle door gunner and I never saw this guy.
Its honestly kind of disgusting that you are accusing a victim of PTSD of lying, invalidating their mental suffering and what they've been through simply because they hold a different perspective on something from you. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I have the right to drive up to your house, park on the side of the street, and blast "Baby Got Back" on a loop at 250 dB until the wee hours of the morning, but I don't do that. Because I'm not an asshole. And I'm already over-budget this year for public performance rights to songs about the buttocks. But mostly the former.
Someone else said it in another comment: Be a good neighbor - that's all we're asking.
You don't have the right to do that because almost everywhere has some kind of noise bylaw. Also, 194 dB is the maximum possible sound energy through air.
You absolutely don't have that right in any location where noise ordnance is on the books, which is most places.
No actually, he's directly admitting he is personally affected by it, do you read English?
He's saying that his PTSD isn't everyone else's responsibility, and that they should be able to do what they want without having to be concerned if it's going to bother someone who has unique circumstances.
As opposed to all the nanny state bullshit in this thread.
Ban fireworks in cities and places where it's too dry to light them, otherwise who gives a shit.
Sure but fireworks are banned in many cities and people use them anyways. That's part of the problem