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Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
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Democrats aren't left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn't matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren't cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary's superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Damn you're right that's must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.
Keep losing, nobody wants what you're selling.
Move left or be left behind.
Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.
Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.
I voted Democrat in every single election since I turned 18, im 34 now, the democrats are not going to get us where we need to go.
Democrats don't fight hard enough, and they reach across the aisle to pivot right at every opportunity.
They would rather court never trumpers like liz cheney 🤮 than make concessions to their own base
Democrats don't want to win, they want to capture progressive momentum and suffocate it.
Your party is not entitled to our votes when you fail to deliver.
Merrick Garland ass motherfuckers telling me the left cant win.
Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.
Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.
Damn apartheid is so hot right now
The left wasn't tricked, we're just sick of being taken for granted and having our concerns blatantly ignored. Your failure to make concessions and compromises with your own base is shooting yourself in the foot.
Lol good luck courting conservatives when the Republican party delivers so hard for their base, what the fuck do you have to offer to win them over? Nothing.
This is why the left consistently loses and never gets legislation passed. Democrats could explain there aren’t enough votes in Congress for them to get what they want but they aren’t smart enough to win on their own so how can they understand even such a simple concept.
Leftist can’t win elections so they have to leech off democrats’ success, dragging democrats down to their level of constant losing.
Honest question, why don't you try to moderate the Republican party towards centrism instead of trying drag the Democrats further right? I think its because your a conservative troll personally
Because I’m a leftist so I refuse to work with other ideologies even if it is in my best interests.
🤡
A fellow leftist I see
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Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
Appealed to more voters than leftist are able muster.
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can't win without us.
Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.
Oh really is that why Obama won? Cause he campaigned on the centrist position of universal healthcare?
Or maybe that's why Hilary won?
Or maybe that's why Kamala won?
Democrats failed to even have a conversation about gaza because their thought they could win on centrism, and guess what they fucking lost hard with their prosecutor president.
Obama didn’t win because of universal healthcare. That worked against him but he did it to make leftists happy and they crucified him when he didn’t have enough votes in senate and had to compromise.
That’s what leftists do. Attack their allies and refuse to work with other ideologies.
Hilary won the popular vote and lost because of Russian election interference.
Harris lost because she tried to cater to leftists and they abandoned her. Again proving that leftist are a waste of time.
Why didn’t you mention Biden? He had a record setting win without leftists.
Democrats didn’t discuss Gaza because the US funds Israel to keep Iran from growing in power in that region and keep Russia at bay in Syria. Iran/Russia bots are working overtime to try to get people like you to do their work for them.
2.popular vote doesn't count for shit
3.bullshit Harris did nothing for the left, she was too busy speaking over them
Biden made concessions to the left like student loan reform and also there was mail in voting and trumps covid failure helped him
So the Palestinians just get genocide and that's alright with you because ends justify the means, cool.
What about the genocide in Ukraine being caused by Iran’s drones and Russias invasion. Just let Iran produce more drones for Russia while Russia entrenches itself in Syria, cool.
The only way to stop the genocide in Gaza is to replace Netanyahu. But the Russian/Iranian bots aren’t pushing that talking point.
Ok I think I understand, brown genocide acceptable, white genocide not acceptable.
Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout
So you’re saying you think white genocide is acceptable but brown genocide not acceptable.
Whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout
Not at all, your just trying to deflect.
At the end of the day what your really saying is we have to stop ukraine from becoming a second Palestine.
Im not saying we shouldn't support ukraine, never has that been my position as you are now implying.
All I said is the Democrats failed to even have a conversation about it, they tried to bulldoze through it.
Because it is foreign actors that are pushing to stop weapon sales to Israel and that would give Iran and Russia such a military advantage that it isn’t an option.
Ok perhaps, but maybe if they had less weapons they would reserve them for use against I dunno not a civilian population.
You gotta have a redline.
At the end of the day we aren't responsible for the actions of others only our own.
We can't stop israel from bombing civilians but we can stop giving them bombs.
I can't make the democrats sanction israel, but I can withhold my vote.
And if you want to bitch about iran then holy shit dawg don't get me started on how this is all the USA's fault to begin with.
They had democracy and we overthrew it for a puppet and now they have fucking theocracy. I should know Im Iranian.
China, Russia, Iran, North Korea all working together to start World War 3 which would cause more genocide than 10 Gazas.
Withholding your vote will cause more genocide.
To be clear I never withheld my vote.
I voted for Kamala, Biden, Clinton, and Obama
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It's handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Ok so just for a moment let's pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being "too radical", Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted "No!" (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people's pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don't think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I'm taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
I'm not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said "bread" then decided you didn't feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
question: will you write me a thesis on how to solve all of societies problems?
(gives a good response in parts of how to do that)
WHY DIDNT YOU WRITE ME A THEIS???
That's not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question "how will you rebuild the party" is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
Yes I am aware. But they did answer the question so I responded to their answer to my question.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we're going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We're going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They'll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they'll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or "the economy" at first, but they'll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don't want to take the time to understand
And we'll just keep hitting it. They say "Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country". We don't bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes "is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%"
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don't deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
See, but you're making it complicated again. You want to stop black rock, but how? If I rent out a couple houses, are you going to come after me? What if this crashes my home prices?
You need to be able to turn around and say "people are homeless. If you have a an empty house, rent it or sell it, otherwise get fucked"
You can't get into commodificstion of housing or go after investment companies, that muddies the waters. People believe all these myths about how markets work, if you leave an opening they're going to start getting people worried about themselves losing something, or they're going to see it as an empty promise
But you keep it simple - empty houses = get fucked
Its a 3 week old account
Huh?