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It's unrelated to Ussr.
Many countries criminalized it and still do including US until very very recent times.
Nothing to do with communism vs capitalism.
Tankie, you could discredit the USSR for not being accepting and still be a good faith communist but nevermind
I don't really care.
I think ussr had a lot of unique positive things.
Like putting Jews and Red Army POWs let out of Nazi camps in gulags. Very positive.
that's not a real thing.
you wouldn't be able to find an example of systematic jews transfers to gulags - search if u wanna.
kidding me - many people in ussr leadership were jews
Ok:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_of_Jews_in_the_Soviet_interior_during_World_War_II
https://www.jewishhistory.org/jews-in-the-gulag-after-wwii/
https://kennedy.byu.edu/jewish-life-and-anti-semitism-in-the-soviet-gulag-2024-02-14
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/C/bo246026242.html
https://academic.oup.com/hgs/article-abstract/34/3/393/6020133
https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/ukrainian-jewish-political-prisoners-gulag-toward-solidarity-mutual-understanding-cooperation/
Let me guess- those are all Jewish lies. Just like the Holocaust.
I'm sure these survivors telling their stories are the biggest liars of all: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23531219
Just can't trust those shifty Jews, can ya?
tbh i'm 100% confident if this even happened - it was on small scale and not an official ussr policy.
as in - if some polaks got arrested after 1939 - those were based on class and stance towards ussr. some of those surely were jewish. boohoo.
there is not a single official document u can find where jews would have been specifically ordered to be deported.
You're only "100% confident" because you didn't bother reading those links, especially not the personal stories. Stalin made absolutely no secret of his hatred for Jews. And there's a "Jewish Autonomous Oblast" in Siberia for a reason. Do you think those Jews wanted to live in the middle of nowhere in the freezing cold?
But I am looking forward to you doing what the other guy praising the USSR for having gulags did and say the Jews deserved it.
I've read it - they look like anecdotal accounts and don't look too credible. Would there be any systematic Jewish decoration policy - I assure u this would have come out in the 90s when archives were opened and Western media would have had a field day with this.
And no - jao was formed before WW2 - and from what I'm reading - people were not forced to move there, there was a propaganda campaign promoting it.
If you had read it, you would have read all the personal accounts. But you obviously did not.
Again, there is a reason there is a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Siberia. But do explain to me why you think a large number of Jews chose not live somewhere like Moscow or Leningrad but chose the freezing ass-end of nowhere of their own free will. This should be good.
Yes. To be with their people. Good idea, didn't work . Not worried about jao sorry
What people? There weren't Jews there until the Oblast was formed. Are you under some bizarre idea that Jews are indigenous to the far East of Siberia? There were no Jews there before 1934 when it was formed and they were forcibly sent there.
You are trying really hard to defend the idea that there was no antisemitism in the Soviet Union and it's utter nonsense as some of my relatives could have told you before they died. But you know those lying Jews can't be trusted, am I right?
^ it was an idea for their benefit. sure - it didnt work, but the intentions here were positive.
They left Karl - means it wasn't concentration camps gun to their heads.
Again - Karl - do you remember the climate for jews back in the days ? noone would give them land. US turned jew ship back: https://www.history.com/news/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939 and they were all killed.
USSR should get nothing but a praise for giving them land and accepting jewish refugees.
Maybe it didnt work out in the end - but the intentions here were good and pure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
making it into some anti-communist spiel doesnt hold water.
The idea that shoving all the Jews into a tiny place in the middle of nowhere in Siberia was "for their benefit" is some real fucking revisionism along the lines of "the Nazis were just protecting themselves" as a defense of the Holocaust.
And this has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with Joseph Stalin.
The idea that the "intentions were pure" to force hundreds of thousands of Jews to live in a frozen hellscape is ridiculous- unless, of course, you think Jews deserve it.
I think life was just harder back then for everyone.
Got it. That's why the Nazis had to do what they did, right? Jews were making life just too hard in Nazi Germany. And they tried to exile all the Jews, but they couldn't. Hitler's intentions were pure, right? Anyone who would say otherwise is just attacking socialism, right?
Lol. Why u so stuck on WW2?
Jews are putting Palestinians into an open air concentration camp right this moment.
Bombed out 70% of Gaza and leaving these guys to die without aid.
And israel is capitalist. And us sending them weapons to keep bombing is capitalist.
Atrocities are not inherently associated with capitalism or socialism.
Yeah, that's what I thought. This is just antisemitic bigotry couched in Israel criticism as if Jews and Israelis are the same thing (we are not).
Hate does not belong in this community.
I get, you're saying the benefits of communism are well worth the sacrifice of a few minorities. That's an argument you can make, but who decides who the minority is? What if they decide that you're the minority? Seems like that's gonna be a fun little twist in your little utopia, won't it?
not sure what u talking about.
there hasn't been mass ethnic deportations after about ww2 - which I think we can all agree was a very special unique case.
besides - supposed democracy of the time were putting peaceful japanese into concentration camps and segregating negros - so how are they better.