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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

@HellAwaits@lemm.ee can you link me to a single pro-Putin post please? Just one.

Serious question. I'm genuinely asking you for this in good faith, I want to understand what you're talking about.

[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I've seen several comments on hexbear (I can find links if you haven't seen them) along the lines of "I'm not pro-Putin... BUT we should give him what he wants in order to end the war quicker", and as an outsider, I think for sure these comments are actually seen as totally pro-Putin by non-hexbear users, due to how trying to appease dictators has ended for Europe in the past.

[–] WideningGyro@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] hatchet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you search for Russia on hexbear, you find comments like this quite quickly, like:

https://hexbear.net/comment/3738463

Peace looks like guaranteeing Ukrainian neutrality by taking NATO membership off the table and likely ceding the DPR and LPR to the Russian federation at this point.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3765816

We also get a lot of shock at the fact that some of us think, in that situation, Ukraine would have to give independence and security guarantees to the Donbas & Crimea. Many of us think that given the realities of the civil war there over the last 8 years or so, plus this conflict, it’s probably the only way to prevent retributory ethnic cleansing in the region. It has nothing to do with ideas of fairness or sovereignty or any other nebulous concept; it’s about what’s least worst for the working class there.

I've seen many other such comments in the past week lurking here, so it definitely comes up every now and then. I can also see the logic behind these comments, even if I don't agree with the logic myself.

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The question was about pro-Putin. These are clearly anti-war posts. I don't think you can reasonably describe these as being pro-Putin or even anti-Ukraine.

As others have said, the vast majority of us ARE anti-Ukraine and that might indeed sound like pro-Russia to outsiders, but these posts are not it. We just want fascists removed from power in Ukraine and peace returned to the Ukrainian people. There hasn't been peace in Ukraine since 2014.

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