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What Alabama’s IVF ruling reveals about the ascendant Christian nationalist movement (www.theguardian.com)
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Supporters of the idea that the US should be a Christian country have a foothold in politics – and are growing bolder

In the Alabama state supreme court case that dubbed embryos “extrauterine children” and imperiled the future of in vitro fertilization (IVF) in the state, the first reference to the Bible arrives on page 33.

“The principle itself – that human life is fundamentally distinct from other forms of life and cannot be taken intentionally without justification – has deep roots that reach back to the creation of man ‘in the image of God’,” the Alabama supreme court justice Tom Parker wrote in an opinion that concurred with the majority. Attributing the idea to the Book of Genesis, Parker’s opinion continued to cite the Bible as well as such venerable Christian theologians as John Calvin and Thomas Aquinas.

For experts, Parker’s words were a stunningly open embrace of Christian nationalism, or the idea that the United States should be an explicitly Christian country and its laws should reflect that.

“He framed it entirely assuming that the state of Alabama is a theocracy, and that that is a legitimate way of evaluating laws and policies,” said Julie Ingersoll, a University of North Florida professor who studies religion and culture. “It looks like he decided to just dismiss the history of first amendment religious freedom jurisprudence at the federal level, and assume that it just doesn’t apply to Alabama.”

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

See, this sort of thing is where it’s hard to call these people Nazis because the Nazis would have been extremely into IVF as a form of eugenics. And that’s the biggest schism between MAGA’s theofacsim and old school Nazis: the hostility towards intellectualism and knowledge/science and the embrace of ignorance, stupidity, scaffolded on religion. It fuels hate based on something intangible (religious belief rather than science) which is protected as sacrosanct by the First Amendment, can’t be reasoned or argued with or disputed by fact, and is the one and only mental illness not allowed to be called out as one.

And that’s what makes it so much more dangerous than Naziism.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Might wanna double-check your knowledge of theology and Nazism. We're still in the early stages of the third Reich, maybe somewhere around the Beer Hall Putsch: religion was still regarded as a powerful tool to influence useful idiots.

Never forget: "it's a bible."

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, no, by no means am I one of those “Nazis were atheists” people. I’m well-aware of their reliance on a sort of perverted Christian nationalism as a sort of mythos, although that got pretty twisted with other gothic and Nordic symbolism as the war and Hitler’s meth addiction waged on… that dude was batshit.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

BTB about his drug addiction was one of the most epic exposees I've ever heard

[–] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

After figuring out what BTB (Behind The Ba$tards) stands for, I think it's time for me to check this podcast out. Seems highly praised by a lot of folks.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And it doesn't matter how anyone rationalizes any of it .... it's the money, funding and support.

As long as wealthy backers and supporters keep pouring money into this movement, the more prominent it will become.

There are just as many or more political zealots who believe in far left socialism or even full on authoritarian communism.... the only difference is that they don't have the money or support to make a difference or have any influence.

There is one religion that drives all of it .... the all powerful, all inclusive, all influential religion of money.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Um... no?

Nazis were about continuing their genes, the superior genes, and noone else's.

Do I really need to que up the idiocracy clip to show what aggressively rawdogging reds are doing in Alabama?

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Do you not know what IVF is or how it works? If you like it explained in movie form, check out Gattaca, and how the Nazis would use it to create the Ubermench.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Whose pussy would Jesus grab?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 8 months ago

Mary Magdalene's?

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What Alabama's IVF ruling reveals is that conservative governments in the US and elsewhere are steadily gnawing away at separation between church and state.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I feel like if Genesis is the basis for this, it would only make sense to apply it to the age of the universe, evolution, etc. And that is a depressing thought experiment.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Christofascism hype in the US..

I prefer anarchy in the UK..

[–] pixelmeow@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

“Nazi punks fuck off”

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -3 points 8 months ago

All you liberals better start thinking about what you'll do if/when Trump wins again. Are you going to be content smugly complaining about how leftists cost Biden the election, while largely being unaffected by the status quo? Or will you react with the urgency your current predictions imply?