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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 211 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Don't forget "This file has already been downloaded, do you want to download it again?"

And the options are to cancel or download again but you can't open the already existing file from the prompt, so you might as well just download that fucking PDF for the fifth time since it's not as if you knew where the bloody thing's been downloaded anyway!

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 62 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Click the name. It doesn't look like an option, because there are buttons for download or cancel, but the file name is also a link to the file.

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 9 months ago (11 children)

you guys don't simply have a folder called "Downloads" where everything goes?

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have a Downloads folder where some things go. :(

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[–] Risk 19 points 9 months ago

This made me laugh more than the meme. Thanks.

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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 86 points 9 months ago (22 children)

Have you checked your "Downloads"-folder?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago

I'm just checking this meme instead

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Not always, though. Some apps save images to /Pictures, and in there, some of them make their own folder. It really is kinda half baked.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sometimes it's their own folder in their own sandboxed app directory. A lot of apps do that now to avoid permissions issues. Like the GBA emulator I use no longer puts game saves in the user's root directory so you can't even see them without a USB connection to a PC, and even if you do that it's extreme obfuscated.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Let's not talk about the iPhone file explorer lol.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 9 months ago (8 children)

There’s literally a thing you can click on called, get this…

FILES

It’s where all of the files on the device live, at least non-photo/video files.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I had an iPhone back when the 3Gs was the newest phone, then an iPod touch 4g after that. None of them had a file explorer while my android phone from the time did. I didn't know they had added one until recently when I saw it on my roommate's phone. So they probably didn't know iOS had one

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago (7 children)

You’re referring to some ancient history at this point. iPhones may look like they always have, but they’ve come a long way over the years.

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[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (15 children)

This is turning a generation of people tech illiterate. The young people I interact with are smart because they're all employed by a tech company and mentored by us dinosaurs, but I've heard some horror stories of the tech literacy of the average young person.

Touchscreen was a mistake.

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm an IT teacher at a community centre, I genuinely never thought I would see the day when a student younger than me enrolled. I wrongly assumed my role as a public educator would just fade out as younger generations required generally less training around computers.

Obviously courses in disability service centres would remain, and accredited training for people to kick off or retarget their careers would still exist.

But the person at the local library who meets twice a week and teaches grandma how to close the tabs on her phone felt like a job that was destined to die.

I'm in my 30s and this year I have a few teenagers in my class. The conversations are hilarious, they don't know how to read a file location adreess or open a program that isn't pinned to the taskbar, but at the same time, I don't know how to access the notifications bar on an iPhone or quickly find the wifi settings without going through general settings....because I went from windows to 98, to a blackberry, to an Android, just like they went from an ipad toddler to an iPhone teen, and only now are they having Windows 11 thrown at them, and of all the computers to try and learn to use, this wouldn't be my first recommendation (but it's what our government funds us to teach 🤷‍♀️)

The skill divide is so hard to explain too. My elderly students just stare blankly at one screen, overwhelmed and confused, unsure how to recognise anything. Nothing stands out as a link, or a click able button, because the entire visual landscape is new to them. There is often a lot of hand holding which can be frustrating especially when you made a huge breakthrough in their confidence and independence only to have come in the next week feeling insecure about their skills because they've forgotten a little bit, or had a bad spam caller over the weekend who made them want to never touch a computer again.

Then the teens, who know what links look like and generally what they do will rush ahead, they may not know what it is exactly they're trying to do, but they think they know what end result is expected and they generally know how to avoid catastrophic issues so they just barrel ahead, I'll see them make 40 clicks a second for something that usually takes 2, because they're throwing spaghetti at the wall.

I had a project last week. Dead simple. Save a linked file to a target location, import the file into another program through either drag and drop or browsing for the file, then change 1 thing, and export the final file into another target location, as specified on the activity sheet.

Barely 5 minutes in, I'm still helping Brenda get her mouse dongle plugged in, and one of the teens is finished. And yes, they have every file I asked for, and every edit I asked for, but both are just sitting in the downloads folder. And now we're at the end looking back, the teen is confused because they have the edited file that is required to "finish*, how is it wrong, and I'm trying to explain why skipping the steps about target locations means they'll have to start again because this activity is all about target locations and I don't actually give two shits about this file I just need them to put things in and out of a folder until they can explain to me "a folder is a container" and not just stare into space because a folder is a black hole on their phone things they save go to until they need them again and just download them again.

[–] eatham@aussie.zone 16 points 9 months ago

Stuff like that are infuriating. I'm in high school and there's an animation class.

The teacher has very clearly told the class about a million times to save the files in OneDrive/2024/Animation/

People are still saving it in downloads or documents or somewhere else and then saying they forgot where they saved it and did nothing the whole class.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m a Millenial, and it’s been wild to see how i’m basically near the top of the bell curve when it comes to understanding the basics of using computers. Like you, I thought general computer illiteracy would die with the Boomers… but here we are.

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[–] explodicle@local106.com 42 points 9 months ago (3 children)

For better or worse, we're going the way of "the car guy". It used to be something everyone needed to know a little bit about, but now fades into the background with a handful of experts.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 9 months ago

I'm car guy, IT guy, home maintenance guy, and electronics repair guy.

I learned how to do everything because I'm a cheap ass that won't replace what can be fixed and won't pay to have something be fixed when I can manage it myself.

I got 240,000 miles on a car right now and it's never seen the inside of a shop. Last big screen TV was free because it was broken and then I soldered new LEDS on to fix it. Paid $25 for an $800 dishwasher that just needed disassembling and cleaning. Also $25 for a front load whirlpool washing machine with a broken internal lock mechanism that I repaired. Same for a dryer with bad rollers inside.

People blow way too much money on buying new stuff instead of just learning how to fix and maintain things now. /old man rant

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Touch input isn't the problem. Hiding the file system is.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It’s either in /sdcard/Downloads or /external/emulated/0/android/data/com.google.chrome/Downloads. Couldn’t be easier.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

chrome instead of anything besides that

🤢🤮

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Couldn’t be easier.

Would certainly be easier if there wasn't an or in your statement.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Best I can do is three more ors.

[–] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Except when it is not....

For example Boost saves photo is some photo folder somewhere.

The only way i can find anything is using a photo app and scanning my entire phone to find things.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (15 children)

I was being facetious. Yeah, every app saves into a different location. It’s bonkers.

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Android has ways for app devs to specify where files get saved. App devs just usually don't give a shit, because they want to write a single lowest common codebase for android and iOS.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Developers not bothering with Android features because they don't exist on iOS is both infuriating and gives me IE6 era vibes.

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[–] BustinJiber@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

file - downloads

me: /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/org.mozilla.firefox/files/Download or /storage/3564-3130/Android/data/org.mozilla.firefox/files/Download here I come!

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

ITT: people who have no working knowledge of file system navigation complain about the lack of such knowledge

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the dumbest setup possible with how android handles saved files, and even worse by all the hoops to put files or look at files from specific folders on your phone due to all the permissions crap.

But the easiest way to find where something was saved is to open up "Files" which is "Files by Google" to be exact. It will whatever file you saved or modified right there in the "recent" section at the top so you can look at whatever goofball place it was actually saved to.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I really don’t understand why the whole finder/explorer/dolphin way of doing things wasn’t carried over to phones.

I’ve only really used Apple phones, but that was something that shocked me right away.

Back when I jailbroke my phones (before I got lazy) I had an awesome file explorer with the finder icon that made me feel at home for a bit.

[–] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Isn't the opposite?

Saving in downloads on Android doesn't need additional storage permissions, so apps will save in the big "trash can" downloads folder

Instead, who the fuck knows where iOS saved that file, where every app is sandboxed and isolated

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The worst is when an android app is clearly an iOS port. E.g Patreon app saves all files under a generic name rather than the one you get when saving the same file from a browser, because I guess on iOS it just goes into your camera reel without a filename anyway. Or how Bluesky app just straight up says "saved to your camera reel" and puts it in your DCIM folder, with no option to specify a different location.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)
[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Recents isn’t really a location, but a summary.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

First android I ever had was a Galaxy S2. Goddammit that phone was so nice. I even bought a 2nd one when the first one died. But android file trees are way easier to navigate than iOS.

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[–] Yn37@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.f-droid.org/en/packages/name.lmj001.savetodevice/ I just use share option and select this app it just saves where ever u want...

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

I feel like this meme only makes sense for people who don't know basic file system navigation...

Literally never had this problem, not once, starting at Android 2.3 when I got my first android phone. It's literally just files and folders, like any other OS.

Even when dealing with apps that don't have a way to check where a file is, any file manager app worth a damn, will have a way to easily find the most recently saved/modified files.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (6 children)

So I had a problem with this, and I am a cd.. cd/ format . person who loves computer file systems.

I think what messed me up is that certain apps have different default save folders, and I wouldn't know where they were or forget.

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