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Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated" (www.newsweek.com)
submitted 1 year ago by SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net
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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Libs get the wall too.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only reason why anyone cares is because everyone thinks their little Johnny is going to get a sports scholarship, and somehow a trans athlete is taking that away from them. It's yet again another false zero sum situation, where we have yet again pitted groups against each other instead of asking why a college athletic scholarship is the difference between succeeding and failing in this broken system.

If you took the money aspect out of all of this, it just leave only the true transphobes. Like, does anyone get pissed if a trans person gets a perfect score on the SATs? No. Because we all love meritocracy (supposedly). So, this is the only place where transphobia is being tolerated.

EDIT: There will always be transphobes, but I'm saying the people that are reachable (maybe), this is the stupid argument they reach for, so why not interrogate why that argument is even being treated as an argument instead of being correctly identified as just being transphobia with extra layers. Make college free

[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

This also works

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The way I always interpreted it was that any artificial environment necessitates artificial constraints which will always 'sample' from a 'population'. Sports are an artificial environment actively ensured to be such for some purpose. Whether that be entertainment, social bonding, profit, etc.

The sampling can have methods of organizing, say in a simple ordering of individuals based on skill with certain qualities. Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn't need to be so, and it seems that it tends to be the case to make it easier to conceptualize the relationships between the people who participate.

Of course in such an artificial environment certain traits like physical strength, coordination, flexibility, endurance, or whatever, in isolation or combination determine the likelihood one may succeed according to the artificial constraints. Are we to be surprised individuals who have been the primary enjoyers and participants, i.e. men, perform 'better'? It's what would be expected if the conflict of interest of fascicle chauvinism is accounted for rather than ignored for reasons of self-interest.

What I never understood was, say there are participants of some group in some sport who are overwhelmingly unlikely to win. This would be true for the participants, what about the coaches? If you open up the artificial environment from some small scale to something bigger, say at the level of winning teams, where are the differences then? In the case of owners of teams, where the amount of risk or investment the owner wants to take is then the primary metric? As you move further and further away from the artificial environment to the real world, the differences matter less and less.

Sure, my wife is not as tall as me, if I am around I'll help grab something on top of the fridge. That isn't the only environment she finds herself in. We have a step stool she uses to get stuff, she can rearrange things to bring it lower, or find some alternative item. There are any number of solutions or strategies one can take outside of an artificially constrained environment.

It's really as though these individuals want to hate women and trans people, or any marginalized group, then find the environments which may be hostile, make them actively hostile, and then when their plan succeeds and they have oppressed or disadvantaged these groups enough they claim victory due to their perceived superiority.

There's a quote from Catch-22 I think of when this sports talk comes up:

"Like Olympic medals and tennis trophies, all they signified was that the owner had done something of no benefit to anyone more capably than everyone else."

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

[–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Ah the abortion playbook

[–] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

anarchista-chad No, its really not.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views… There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated.”

I read this in Stephen Merchant’s voice

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

do not cede ground to the right. for god's sakes, do not cede ground to the right.

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

brump

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

anglo island would be proud

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Ironically cracker island doesn't have anything like this. I suspect that's mainly because school sports aren't professionalised as for-profit enterprises like the horror show in america though and would exist if that were the case.

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

-cucks

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

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