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The department of Justice is investigating everyone involved, but each state gets to choose whether or not to prosecute, and being that these conservatives are all cowards and liars, instead of admitting what they did was illegal, so far everyone's main defense has been "there's no specific legal code that says I can't write election documents in specifically, this way for specifically this election and send them to the national archives and to the vice president specifically", so the US legal system has to process their claims and each state has to decide whether or not that's a legitimate claim.

One of the conspirators, chesebro, who I will call cheese bro from now on for sake of speech to text brevity, has pled guilty to conspiracy in Georgia and is working with authorities in Georgia and at least four other states as of last month.

So all of these investigations are still going on, but all of the people who forged these documents and mail them in are wealthy and politically connected and have lawyers and refuse to take responsibility for their actions, so they're delaying matters as long as they can.

Despite this investigations are moving forward and after 3 years, cheese bro is working with authorities to further these investigations and prosecutions, so everything is moving forward, it's just taking as much time as you may expect.

People have been subpoenaed but no dates are set for them to be questioned, State prosecutors can't agree whether or not to prosecute them in state or refer cases to federal prosecutors; powerful states rights are a very cool part of the United States, you can go drive to Colorado and smoke weed tomorrow if you want to, but you'll be shot in Texas for it, but it also makes it difficult to uniformly prosecute conspirators in different states.

And all of these states have active ongoing investigations that have developments every couple of months or so, so nothing is being put off indefinitely, everyone who wants to build these cases is just taking their time and building the cases strongly as possible, and it took three years, but they have one of the main conspirators, cheese bro, now working with them in five of the states.

A good parallel might be when Trump raped E jean Carroll. This was obviously a much smaller case involving only two people, witnesses and evidence concerning them, and that case started in 2019 and didn't conclude until last month.

So we can expect that a seven-state conspiracy of fake electors forging documents, mailing them to the national archives and to pence, is going to take more time than that, especially with multiple criminal aspects rather than being civil cases.

I'll add the US isn't f*****. Trump was found liable for " sexual assault " he committed, New York is changing their legal definition of rape because the only reason Trump was found liable for sexual assault instead of rape is because New York has an antiquated legal definition of rape where it has to include a penis.

These are both good outcomes that show people in the states are working to make the legal system more fair.

The justice system is by no means fair and it won't be for a long time, probably forever, but the US isn't f*****, it's just filled with people trying to make it better while it's simultaneously trying to be pulled back into bigotry and special treatment by conservatives.

Meanwhile: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted

There's something different about this person than the guy in OP, but I just can't put my finger on it...

Because the fascists have, in reality, always been in control. We were never a democratic or a free country.

That's what happens when you don't hang or imprison seditoinists.

Trump has shown that our entire system is based on nothing more than good faith and convention. Not only does the Constitution not provide any guidance whatsoever about what to do when those in charge refuse to exercise that good faith and convention, but the past few years have shown that even the slightest deviation from that good faith and convention can cause the entire system to come crashing down.

They can't pass anything alone. This is performative bullshit for fascists.

Yes, it's worse. One authoritarian policy is bad, but the scope of the damage is limited. The damage caused by undermining democracy enables an unlimited amount of authoritarian policies.

Gee, I distinctly remember a certain group doing similar "Papers, please" stops awhile back. And they held a lot of similar views, too..... Hmm

Then why do they even exist? You could replace them with 2 lines of code.