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Volodymyr Zelenskiy declared his personal income for the first time since the outbreak of war with Russia, as part of his effort to increase transparency in his government.

In 2021, the year before Russia invaded Ukraine, Zelenskiy and his family reported income of 10.8 million hryvnia ($285,000), down 12 million hryvnia from the previous year, even as his income was boosted by the sale of $142,000 of government bonds, according to a statement on his website.

In 2022, the first year of the Russian invasion, the Zelenskiy family’s income fell further to 3.7 million hryvnia as he earned less income from renting real estate he owned because of the hostilities.

Even as the war allowed Ukrainian officials to withhold revealing sensitive personal information, Zelenskiy pushed to make them publicly declare assets. Increasing transparency and tackling graft are necessary for his country to ensure continued financial aid from its western allies, even as more than $100 billion of funds are held up due to political maneuvering inside US and EU.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 241 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Gotta say, that's an almost aggressively reasonable salary for running an entire country,

I'd consider myself pretty well taken care of for that level of pay.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 101 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget, he was a very well known actor and comedian before.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 141 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This is what still blows me away.

A fucking actor is doing a better job running a country specifically during wartime than a typical politician.

It's fuckin embarrassing to every single person on this planet who's dealing with stupid/corrupt/inept politicians who would sell their constituents for fuckin toilet paper.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tbf, the US tried the actor president twice, and they turned out to be the two worst presidents in modern US history, so it might not always be the best idea to elect the "outsider".

[–] CybranM@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Reagan and Trump. The former was a b-list actor before becoming governor and then president and the latter played a successful businessman in the fictional series "The Apprentice".

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (20 children)

It's so ironic that California and New York, two beacons of progressivism have us those two turds.

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[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

Trump and Reagan

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think the Ukrainian public decided to throw a curveball that Putin and the KGB could never predict - electing an absolute outsider who the KGB didn’t have time to corrupt

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Zelensky's campaign was supported by a Ukrainian oligarch. Not exactly an "absolute outsider". In fact, during the campaign the supporters of Poroshenko (who tend to be more nationalists) used this as ground to accuse him of being associated with Russia (among other things).

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What people need to understand about the Ukrainian oligarchs are that they're actually oligarchs. It's not US-style "we should get around to regulating campaign financing some time so that Google doesn't run candidates", it's not Russia-style "Actually you're a minor noble there to exploit your dedicated region for the Tsar, by appointment of the Tsar":

In Ukraine it's "businesspeople with not completely clean records running for office because that's a neat way to get legal immunity and corruption opportunities", aka actual oligarchy, with the fat cats themselves in office. They're absolutely not a unified front, often hate each other's guts both in a business and political sense, and while (at least for the longest time) the Ukrainian people had practically no say in who would run, they could choose which Oligarch they liked best, putting their thumb on the scales.

So why did Kolomoyskyi support Zelensky? There's a very simple explanation: Zelensky ran against Poroshenko, who Kolomoyskyi had quite a fallout over stuff much more important than politics, that being funnelling oil into to Kolomoyskyi's refineries:

On 25 March 2015, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed a decree dismissing Kolomoyskyi from the post of Dnipropetrovsk RSA Head, saying "Dnipropetrovsk region must remain a bastion of Ukraine in the East and protect peace". Kolomoyskyi was replaced by Valentyn Reznichenko.[31][120][121] This followed a struggle with Poroshenko for control of the state-owned oil pipeline operator.[122] After Poroshenko's dismissal of Oleksandr Lazorko, who was a protégé of Kolomoyskyi, as a chief executive of UkrTransNafta, Kolomoyskyi dispatched his private security guards to seize control of the company's headquarters and expel the new government-appointed management. While Lazorko was in charge the state-owned pipelines had been delivering oil to a Kolomoyskyi-owned refinery in preference to competitors.[31][123]

In a further move against Kolomoyskyi, Poroshenko replaced Kolomoisky's long-time business partner Ihor Palytsa as governor of neighboring Odesa Oblast with the former Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili. That appointment triggered a dramatic and public war of words between Kolomoyskyi and Saakashvili. Saakashvili told journalists Kolomoyskyi was a “gangster” and “smuggler.” Kolomoyskyi told them Saakashvili was “a dog without a muzzle” and “a snotty-nosed addict.”[124]

Kolomoyskyi responded that the only difference between Poroshenko and Yanukovych is “a good education, good English and lack of a criminal record.” Everything else is the same: “It’s the same blood, the same flesh reincarnated. If Yanukovych was a lumpen dictator, Poroshenko is the educated usurper, slave to his absolute power, craven to absolute power.”[125]

Enemy of my enemy and all that.

I can't really tell just how important access to Kolomoyskyi's TV channel was for Zelensky's campaign, the man was a folk hero way before meaning that vanishing on TV might've just boosted his youtube channel in equal amount.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You know what? I still argues it's a great idea to pay government positions well. Let there be no need for bribes or underhanded deals. You want them to also be able to take care of themselves for the stress and it should be something that people want to achieve because of what a good job it is then prove they are right for it so that there is a pool of smart people willing to do it rather than a job managing HR for Facebook cause it pays better.

But maybe I just like the idea of a country that takes care to make sure they are taking care of people.

[–] anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In theory the idea is great. Unfortunately in reality people in those positions are fucking greedy and will throw citizens under the bus to get a few extra bucks. In South Africa we see the ruling party ANC politicians who earn decent money but they still can't keep their fucking greasy hands out of the cookie jar. It's pretty fucking disgusting since their is still so much poverty in the country but they will rather steal to enrich themselves.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In the US too, senators get paid ~190k/year and continually throw their constituents under the bus for campaign contributions of just a few hundred to a few thousand dollars from lobbyists

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[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 7 months ago

Agreed. We should (in the US) pay really high salaries to government officials, especially executive office/legislators/judges. Provide huge benefits like paid education and lifetime medical coverage for children and spouses (even if you retire), and a one time home purchase up to a certain amount in any location on retirement. It's yours and if you sell it, the income is yours too. Pension equivalent to salary, which is raised whenever it's increased for active government officials, and continues for your spouse after you die.

But in return, you and your spouse must fully divest yourself of any investments of any kind. You must sell any properties you own beyond a home in your constituent state. A home in DC will be provided, if applicable. Your spouse also may not have investments or own properties. Your adult children may have investments if they're managed by a blind trust.

After you retire, or "age out" at the current full social security age, or at the end of your assigned term after reaching that age, you may not ever hold another job ever again. You may not receive income in any form other than what is paid to you by the pension fund. You (and your spouse) may not own investments of any kind.

Don't like it? Cool, don't run for office.

[–] echoplex21@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

lol honestly my middle manager boss makes more than him while he’s running one of the most stressful jobs in the world.

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd cap every civil servant income to 5 median salaries. If that's too not enough, run your country better.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is close to reasonable. But the argument politicians shouldn't be paid well is bad. If you can't earn a good income as a politician, then the only people that can be politicians are those that are already wealthy.

A working class person (or background) that can do well as a minister will struggle to put their family in the position of earning a reduced salary compared to a job in the private sector that will pay them more.

A good example of this problem is Rishi Sunak. His wife is a billionaire. He doesn't need a salary and PM. He has extended internal combustion engine sales deadline, supported the war in Gaza as soon as a Gaza permit for BP was announced and spitefully stopped the expansion of high speed rail by selling off the land purchased for it. All these actions are in direct support of BP a company his wife directly benefits from.

It would be much better if our politicians earned their income through their salary. We have a dearth of talent due to low pay and high stress roles, only those that are swindling millions out of it are willing to endure.

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[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 198 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Bruh everything about zelenksy is fucking incredible. What a guy

[–] june@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I think we’re gonna learn some things about him after this war is over that we won’t like. He’s doing great as a war time president, but no one is this squeaky clean.

[–] eek2121@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

…and that is okay. He is still doing an incredible job and is an incredible public figure.

Nobody is perfect, nor do they have to be.

[–] june@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.

I just see a lot of people putting him on a pedestal that are probably gonna be let down some day.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

True.

For example Churchill: great wartime PM, but also very much an anti-worker free market believing imperialist who actively fought against both independence for and immigration from the British colonies. People tend to only remember the first part, though.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And wasn’t he kinda known for being a drunk? (Still one of the most quotable people in recent history)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Nobody really cares about that part though.

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[–] Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we are? Most normal people don't have huge skeletons in their closet.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But almost everyone has at least one skeleton.

[–] Blackhole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't have any...? Most people don't I would think.

[–] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

I agree regarding closet, but I believe most people have a skeleton inside their meatbag.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Here's his approval rating over time that reflects this point perfectly. He's supported in his actions during the war way more than he was as a politician, he was actually doing pretty badly before the war in his approvals. Interested to see how the prolonged conflict affects this, and what the regional differences are.

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[–] Reverendender@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Zelenskiy for World President

[–] comrade19@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

I hope they make statues of him like they did with all those bygone fellas that did something great

[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I've been disturbed to see an increasing number of purple parroting character assassination points about Zelenskiy.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 52 points 7 months ago (11 children)

He deserves every damn penny of it, and more.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I swear, I've been seeing so many different spellings of his last name lately. I've seen -sky, -skyy, -skey, and now -skiy. I wonder why different outlets seem to be using different spellings.

[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 54 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

His actual name is written in Cyrillic so the latinized versions are all just ways of trying to write a bunch of latin letters that roughly correspond to how his name is pronounced. That’s going to be quite different across languages that use the latin alphabet, even across different accents in the same language.

If you were to write a word like 🚽 the way it actually sounds, would it be toy-let (canadian), tuy-leht, (if you’re from parts of britain) tay-let (if you’re australian), tee-let (new zealand)….?

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Ey mate, shitters clogged

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 20 points 7 months ago (12 children)

Very much this.

The suffix at the end of that last name is also causing some trouble:

  • In Ukrainian, it's Зеленський (note the "ь", a silent letter supposed to soften the consonant before itself)
  • In Russian, it's Зеленский (no "ь", the "н" is not soft)
  • In Polish, it's Zełenski (no "й" or anything similar, resulting in a different pronunciation again)

Now compare it to the last name of a Polish author: Сапковський (Ukrainian), Сапковский (Russian), Sapkowski (Polish).

Ukrainians, Russians, and Poles all have examples of last names like these, but the rules of our languages dictate that we handle them differently, even in terms of spelling and pronunciation; for people not speaking a Slavic language naturally, it understandably is a nightmare, as neither spelling is objectively the right one in terms of linguistics.

For now, it's probably best to either go with one of the following:

  • Zelensky or Zelenski, akin to Polish equivalent spelling of similar last names
  • Zelenskyy, as seems to be the more or less official or judicial spelling of this Ukrainian last name

As messy as it seems, I believe it's going to stay the same. Romanization of the Russian language is already an equally messy phenomenon despite multiple efforts to standardize the process, yet it only resulted in several ways of tackling the difficult cases, which is of very little help; Ukrainian seems to be an even more complicated case for romanization as it has some features that would either require intricate rules to create accurate spellings, or make greater use of diacritics.

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[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I'm Australian and we don't pronounce it "tay-let"

That sounds like someone trying to badly imitate Australian accents but having the pronunciation very wrong

I don't know how you managed to butcher it so badly

All my life I have pronounced it "toy-let" and I grew up in Australia

"tay-let" sounds like some weird portmanteau with "taylor" and "let"

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[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought this thumbnail was showing his legs behind his ears lmao

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