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[–] nature_man@lemmy.world 188 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

The twitter user is making so many assumptions. It's a great look into the delusional mind of alt right people.

For example, they assume all of the gun owners are conservatives and that they are all willing to fight and die for texas, and have the means or money to get there. In actuality, plenty of gun owners aren't extremists or even right wing, and many of those who are probably won't even show up if this shit happens.

Also, if this shit happens, once those who did show up end up in prison, on the run, or dead, you can bet your ass that the same account will be calling it a false flag operation or something [not sure if it was this account or one of the other major right wing twitter accounts that encouraged January 6th and then went on to claim it was a false flag afterwards]

To sum up the right wing lunatic mind: everybody who owns guns agrees with me and would die for those opinions, but also, if we lose, it was a false flag anyway, and most people actually agree with us but are too scared to show it, etc.

It's just a bunch of hypocrisy and assumptions that go against all facts.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (15 children)

Not American, but isn't it also a misconception that most Americans have guns? I thought some Americans have a lot of guns, but most don't have a gun at all.

I assume Texas is Texas, but I doubt it's that different.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 71 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is true. There are a lot of guns, but a good chunk of gun owners own more than one firearm so the "average" is skewed. Look at the ones that have massive collections or the preppers for instance. Some owner collections have dozens or even hundreds of firearms.

There's also the clear assumption the OP photo makes that all of those owners are conservative and willing to fight for Texas. I have quite a few friends with firearms, on both sides of the aisle. In fact, most of the gun owners I know personally are Democrats. None of them would ever do anything to help Texas.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I am pretty hard left. Come from a family that leans to the left. I own probably 30 ish guns. Never bought a single one. Comes from parents, grandparents, great grandparents. Father in law. Everytime a family member passes away I have to buy a bigger gun safe. My side of the family was hunters, wife's dad was a collector. They were like logos for him, he was always cleaning or fixing up a project gun. That being said, Texas can suck my balls. Just hoping my retarded, conservative, Mexico bordering state doesn't get involved.

Either way, all these gravy seals can pretend to be tough, but no American is going to shoot another American (on a large scale) over this bs. It's all politics and bull shit. They talk all tough, but are they willing to shoot at the military people they love so much wearing Kevlar and all the other latest technology with their AR they just got out of pawn over some brown people coming from Mexico? Do they think Joe Biden himself will be on the battle field? No, it will be a bunch of 20 year old American kids they are shooting at.

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You are basically spot on.

I am a gun owner with more than 5 guns locked away in my basement safe. One of those "these people need protection when escorted to the health clinic because the right wing nut jobs are trying to block access and the pigs won't do anything about it because some of them joined" kind of people, who will happily use every ounce of legal force I can bear to ensure they aren't stopped by mouth breathers who don't understand that they don't have any rights over a woman's body.

Of the people I know well enough to know their gun owning status, I'd say less than half own guns. But the half that do almost all own more than one. Mostly in .22LR (small caliber) for "plinking" (shooting small objects/targets for fun at a range or range-like area of your property) but most of the ones that aren't are for hunting. Maybe 5 or 6 people have an ar-15, and the ones I've seen are set up for medium range target shooting.

Now I am certainly biased in who I know, because I do not willingly associate with "peppers" (it's always guns and cans of beans in a basement, never anything else) or right wing assholes. None of the people I associate with would even strike you as gun owners, because they don't look the part, don't drive lifted pickups, don't wear oakleys/aviators backwards with a punisher skill thin blue line shirt and camo cargo shorts on. (generalization but you know the type)

They're very much the "those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable" kind of people.

Now from my younger years, being hauled in to church every week, I'd say it still holds true for that area at that time, under 50% but they own multiples.

So it's less "everyone owns tons of guns" and more "the under half that own guns own more than 2" I guess.

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[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 98 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Ah yes, because every single gun owner in the United States wants Texas to secede and is willing to die fighting for that cause.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

That's not even true of most of the ones in Texas.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 92 points 9 months ago (45 children)

So this dumbass thinks the entire population of American gun owners are coming to their rescue?

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately they couldn't get there in time because their mobility scooters ran out of battery.

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[–] nick@midwest.social 63 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I own a gun.

Fuck Texas. I won’t be supporting them in anything ever.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm a gun owner and am pretty "on board" with democracy so I'm not gonna help those hypothetical traitors secede.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 62 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Everyone seems to have this romantic idea of a US Civil War would be like. It's either "76 million gun owners becoming patriots" or the US military will crush the secessionists with some airstrikes and drone strikes, all in time for dinner.

The first stage would be political chaos. Some US governors will see this an attempt to seize even more power and side with the Secessionists (looking at you, DeSantis, you shit head). Some US governors will wait to see if a political solution can be sought before picking sides, and other governors will side the US government. Congress will have to figure out what do with US Representatives from Secessionist States. Some members of the military will start to defect or desert for various reasons.

If a political comprise can't be sought, we move to the second stage. Secessionist States start seizing US military bases and their assets and more members of the US military and Secessionist States start to desert/defect. Russia, China, Iran, and other countries sensing an opportunity, start to exploit the ongoing chaos. This includes massive disinformation campaigns, funding violent organizations, and isolating US allies.

A small amount of far-right militias sensing an opportunity with the US government dealing with the beginnings of a civil act, start to act. Small bombings and assassinations to further their political goals. Conservatives in Northern California start terror campaigns in Southern California. Progressive groups start being targeted and band together for safety. Foreign interference becomes more involved. Refugees start fleeing.

Third stage is full out war. Battles between Secessionist forces and the US Military start happening. Every state has either decided to join one side or goes their own way. Political crises pop up in US territories. Local insurgencies break out amongst groups fighting for power as central governments are pre-occupied with fighting a civil war. Foreign inference is at a maximum with direct financial, military, or logistical support to whatever group aligns with foreign powers.

We saw this with happen with the Iraq War with it's multitude of Shiite and Sunni militias fighting each other and the US. Same thing happened in Syria, with groups supporting the government against those fighting against the government and the Kurds. We saw what can happen with a dedicated low tech insurgency can do in Afghanistan and Vietnam against a far more advanced military.

At best, the US is 11 different countries trying to be one country.. At worst, the US is 50 different countries trying to be one country.

Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards wrote an article about the beginnings of a civil war.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So... Every gun in the US is owned in Texas?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

No, every person who owns a gun is part of a hive mind that thinks exactly like the person who created this. Or so they think.

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[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago (18 children)

Conservatives are not going to be happy when they find out liberals have guns too. Or what happened the last time the south tried seceding.

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

“I support the former things” is such a stupid fucking slogan. It’s not catchy and sounds like someone tried to rephrase “The good old times” five times in a row. How about:

“Back in the day today!”

“It has been better, it will be better!”

“We chug barrels of cum!”

“Craving for Russian cock uWu”

I swear, the right has zero creativity.

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 51 points 9 months ago (19 children)

This kind of counteracts the "AR-15s aren't assault rifles" argument, no?

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The right and contradiction are best of friends.

They don't care about logic, reason of reality. That's why they can scream about family values and support a degenerate rapist like Trump.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 48 points 9 months ago (4 children)

They aren't the largest army.

They are the largest infantry.

Big difference.

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[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (4 children)

How little the average redneck understands this joke... I'll explain it like to a five year old:

72 bazillion guns are USELESS against one single B52 carpet bombing the shit out of you.

Modern Warfare makes a gun fight look like a cave men throwing stones.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

“EndWokeness”?

Do these people even listen to themselves?

I nearly spit out my coffee when I walked past a bookstore and saw Ted Cruz’s “Unwoke” on display.

This is just as golden as them being against antifa. Y’all ever stop to think that maybe that leaves you standing with the “fa”?

[–] efstajas@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

They have absolutely no idea what they're even talking about is the craziest thing. If you ask them to define "woke", they stumble.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What makes them think all those gun owners would be on their side?

[–] st3ph3n@midwest.social 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gun owner here. Texas can suck a bag of dicks.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Many gun owners are democrats, so their moronic stance against the U.S. fucking military is not off to a great start planning wise

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[–] xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Quick googling let me know there are about 10 million households in Texas and 40% of those have at least one gun. Lets say that transfer to one gun owner per household. 4 million gun owners in Texas. Lets say 2% of those show up to die. That's gonna be a great army of 80k.

Assuming these bumbling fools will be about as effective as Russians in Ukraine, they will have a mortality rate of about 431 dimwits a day. I would say this is generous, considering what they would be up against. If they fight to the last man; they will last about 185 days. Though it is unrealistic they would fight to the last man. lets say they capitulate after 20% losses. That hypothetical conflict would last about a month.

I would like to believe they would just get cold feet before any violence sets in. It's easy to talk tough on social media, but when cold reality washes over them, they will do the smarter thing.

My numbers might be way off. It was just a fun little math exercise. Edit: I didn't take in to account that only about 39% of adults are republican voters.

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[–] userdata2@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Bruh I'm a gun owner for sport, don't lump me in with the stupid crowd. I don't care if I couldn't own guns anymore, I'd just find a different hobby. I'm sure as shit not coming to the rescue of Texas

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[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Weird how all the gun people didn't do a goddamn thing when Citizens United happened

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Does Texas not know the ac130 exists?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Civil wars and these memes are dumb, the military isn't going to bomb anything...on top of that, you probably live in the same building or next to a neighbor who would be a target, and bombs aren't that accurate, you will be collateral damage.

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[–] WallEx@feddit.de 35 points 9 months ago

An army is comprised of trained soldiers, not a bunch of jackasses with guns.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious to see how an army of 72 million angry, obstinate people functions. I'm sure that will be a very cohesive military.

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[–] SleepyBear@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If the American government came after Texas (as in they seceded) how would they have 72m gun owning Americans to join their cause? They wouldnt be part of the U.S. at that point.

[–] ADTJ 28 points 9 months ago

You're right, shame that's the only flaw in this otherwise well reasoned argument

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And? Not all gun owners are joining this joke military. The rest of us will be popcorning the show.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not all of those 72 million people are chuds. Statistically speaking, like 50 million of those 72 million can't make it to the end of their driveway without needing to catch their breath.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Equating gun ownership with sedition and secession is pretty stupid. Go for it, Texas. Your backup numbers are fewer than you think.

There was an article a few weeks ago about how Texas is the least-free state in the union. They have the fewest liberties, yet they can carry guns and that's all they care about.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 months ago (25 children)

Entire nations know better than to take on the US military, who have a larger budget than the next ten nations combined and won’t even give you a target to shoot at, and these dick weasels think they can do it with commercially available weapons and no training?

LMAO. Go ahead, try it. I’ll be here with popcorn.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Entire nations know better than to take on the US military

The US isn't just a military stick, it's also an economic carrot. The folks that end up wrangling with the stick are inevitably the ones denied the carrot.

Countries like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and I guess now Yemen had been in an economic conflict with the US - via embargos and proxy wars - long before the first American soldier arrived.

The thing about Texas is that a handful of jerk-offs posting from their 8086s in Beaumont aren't the guys who will feel the pain in a serious break away.

It's Dell Computer and Exxon and fucking Pizza Hut that will hurt. And their executives will drag these dissidents out back to the wood shed themselves long before The Republic of Texas dipshits need to worry about a B-52 over their heads.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Yeah, I’m not worried about the gravy seals. They can only carry so much ammo on their mobility scooters.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

By that logic, they must think every single gun owner lives in Texas.

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[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (15 children)

In case there is anyone in here who thinks Texas has a chance of winning a civil war against the rest of the US. Watch this.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

If Texas decided tomorrow they were seceding, Abbott and everyone else involved in that decision would be hogtied and presented to the feds within the week after

  1. Every electric plant in the state was bombed. This works because TX has its own grid to dodge fed rules. Hence why it fails in winter because capitalism means fuck safety rules.
  2. Every credit and debit card in the state stopped working, along with likely every bank account, which is vaguely related to 1 but also for its own reasons.
  3. Every grocery shelf went bare. We saw what COVID did.

In a smart system, they'd try everyone involved and lock them all up for life and the incident would serve as a reminder that if you fuck around you will find out. Of course with our luck we'd get some dipshit president to fuck up that bit just like after the civil war

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