White House national security spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on Thursday that the United States sees no basis for South Africa’s allegation of genocide against Israel over civilian deaths in Gaza.
We're the bad guys... I'm so embarrassed.
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America sucks, and I say this as an american
It depends on who writes the history books.
According to my history books, the good guys always wins!
The US has long been the bad guy and ruined democracies around the world. The empire is finally crumbling.
What the fuck does Israel have on America, that America bends over so eagerly with greasy asshole for them?!
A strategic geographic placement to expend its influence in both the Middle East and the Mediterranean sea.
Israel spent a lot of time and money buying influence in the US government. Netanyahu has been working for literal decades to create this level of support.
You are assuming that this somehow clashes with American goals or strategy. America has done this a million times already. Their bombing of Korea constituted genocide. It killed 20% of the population. This time it's someone else doing it for them. They've outsourced genocide many times as well, like in Indonesia. Of course in addition to the genocide of the natives that the country is built on and perpetrates to this day. America is the one enforcing this situation in Palestine and the region.
If you’re gonna keep throwing that word around, you really ought to define it.
As it stands, calling the Korean War, or more specifically the American bombings during it, genocide is ill informed at best. While the US did have a substantial role, so did China and Russia. This included boots on the ground and pilots in the air. It is true that ~2 million civilians were killed in the war though, and casualties were split roughly even between both sides of the conflict.
I would venture to say that the Korean War was no more a genocide than the American Civil war was.
Wrong. The responsibility is entirely on the United states and its lackeys. The United States made it their goal to prevent Korea from governing itself, installed a fascist military dictatorship, and destroyed the independent portion of the country killing millions. In no way are china and the USSR who supported the independent Korean state responsible for the death caused by the United States.
Wtf are you talking about? China and the USSR supported North Korea, which if you recall, was the aggressor in the Korean War. They invaded the RoK.
As for America's involvement, it was hardly them acting unilaterally. It wasn't even them and a small coalition of their allies like Vietnam was. The UN Security Council voted to approve the action. You could criticise the US for their involvement in almost any war they were involved with post-WW2, but not Korea. (Criticising their tactics is one thing, and fair. But not the mere fact that they were involved.)
Meanwhile, the IPC has declared Gaza to be in a state of near famine. With a certainty of it slipping into a famine in the coming weeks if Israel continues to block food aid at the Egyptian border.
Nope no genocide here. Definitely not a tactic straight out of the evil dictator playbook.
everyone is shocked
Hassim then listed a number of “genocidal acts” committed by Israel.
The “first genocidal act is mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza”, she said while showing photos of mass graves where bodies were buried “often unidentified”. No one – including newborns – was spared, she added.
The second genocidal act was serious bodily or mental harm inflicted on Palestinians in Gaza in violation of Article 2B of the Genocide Convention, Hassim argued. Israel’s attacks have left close to 60,000 Palestinians wounded and maimed, the majority of them women and children. Hassim argued that large numbers of Palestinian civilians, including children, have been arrested, blindfolded, forced to undress, loaded onto trucks and taken to unknown locations.
Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, a second lawyer representing South Africa, argued that “Israel’s political leaders, military commanders and persons holding official positions have systematically and in explicit terms declared their genocidal intent.”
I hope this court puts international pressure for boycott, divestment, and sanctions on Israel
I always feel anxious seeing charges brought against countries, states or companies. It feels like an indication that specific human assholes are trying to get away with murder. It's a god start, but let's see some follow through to prosecute specific criminals.
A win in this court will put pressure on other nations to remove Israel from Palestine. For similar judgements on specific perpetrators, we have the ICC. An institution well-known to be corrupted by the US/West.
It's a shame that nothing will ever come of this because the United States will always veto it.