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[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 82 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Ive seen 2, max.

If this is your current state of twitch, its because you keep clicking on boobi. Quit clicking on boobi if you dont want to be seeing boobi.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ive heard this over and over, but it's bullshit.

I watch half a dozen streamers on twitch. 4 apex legends streamers and 2 developers(all dudes because that seems somewhat relevant). I don't browse random streams and I don't click on anything.

Occasionally, I'll end up watching other streamers if my guys raid someone as they sign off. But never are they raiding "boobi" streams. It's usually other apex streamers or other devs.

The other day, home page was filled with tits and scantally clad ladies. The recommended feeds were almost all that.

So I'm not clicking on it. I'm not seeking it out. I'm not even hovering over it. But it was pushing that content hard.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just not true. I don’t have a twitch account and visited to see what it’s all about and it’s all over. Even if you peek inside the just chatting category it’s a huge majority of the top content

Of anything, what you state is the result of content filtering for yourself and not for everyone at large.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This might be a repost of an older meme when it was stíl true

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Older meme? Twitch rolled back their barely nude positive rule by, like, the next day.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (17 children)

I'll never understand how Twitch became as big as a thing as it is.

"So you're telling me that instead of watching a fifteen minutes of nicely edited video of content I can watch for hours of a greasy man in a tank top play a game for four hours and get fifteen minutes of good content in the time span? "(Literally) "Take my money!"

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 96 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A stream is a very different format for content, but that doesn't necessarily make it worse - only different.

  1. As streams are live, anything could happen, so there's the possibility for unexpected excitement and being a part of that as it happens
  2. Live chat can make a stream feel social and connected with other viewers
  3. Streams give you the ability to speak to the streamer and change the outcome of the stream

I think that the way people consume content has also changed. A lot of people watch streams "in the background" just as noise while they do other things, not in a way where they are giving the stream their 100% focus in the way you would with a short and well-edited video.

[–] snuff@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Stream chat is something I never understood... it scrolls way too fast.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 26 points 11 months ago

Watch less populous streams.

Streamers with 100-1k viewers are actually able to read and respond to chat, and you will likely get responses to actually engaging chat messages.

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[–] A_Toasty_Strudel@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

15 minutes of good content in several hours? You might not be watching the best streams ngl.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

From my view, I enjoy watching Twitch for two main reasons:

  1. For the same reason I like watching live sports rather than a 15 minute cut of highlights - the feeling of experiencing events in real time, the payoff of seeing a big play unfold after all the anticipation leading up to it, watching strategies and counter-strategies unfold in real time, that kind of stuff.

  2. For the same reason I like watching video essays, stand-up comedy, interview shows, podcasts, or other media where one particular person is the focus - that person is entertaining to me. They have a personality I vibe with, they're funny, they have an interesting perspective, etc.

To a lesser extent, it's also nice background noise. I can throw a stream on at the beginning of my workday and not have to fiddle with it until I'm done with work, because it's a constant, reliable source of background noise.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As a genXer I don't get it either. The model at the moment referenced here makes much more sense to me at least. Not understanding twitch is a real marker of shifts in generational mindsets. I think I understand tech, but I wouldnt invest in tech sectors as I clearly don't have the instinct for it anymore.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If my kids were unmonitored, they'd probably watch game streamers all day, every day.

I rationalize it like watching sports, but I don't really understand that either.

[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

When you were younger did you ever watch a sibling or a friend play a game? Same vibe, but it's a streamer you find enjoyable or entertaining.

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[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

What makes sense is two things:

  1. You can ask questions about the game and get a direct answer, often including someone showing you exactly the thing in the game you asked about.

  2. Some streams are genuinely entertaining, such as GTA RP streams. These people mostly aren't slobbering fat guys (though some are) but are actually working and acting the entire time.

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[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Never seen these cam girls everyone complains about on my twitch feed. I don’t seek that stuff out though either. You can also filter out content in settings, but I’ve never had to. This “problem” seems like a non issue.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you click "I want to watch mature content" on any profanity stream such as Soda or Summit your feed magically starts filling up with titty streamers.

The notion that you need to seek them out first is false.

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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

They should change the name to Twatch.

I'll see myself out.

Buy my girlfriend a pregnancy test while I'm out...

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I don't get some of these comments. You can want to avoid random nudity without bring a prude or jealous.

I'd argue that a LOT of people are not interested in seeing 99.9% of the population naked, and there should be nothing wrong with that. I don't care what they look like. Sometimes people just don't want to look at rectums.

The mindset of "you have to be happy about unexpectedly seeing a stranger naked or you're a prude" also doesn't sit right with me.

I would have just stopped using twitch, personally.

[–] Icaria@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

It's the internet post-2014. If you have simply never heard of someone's particular flavour of BDSM kink before, they take it like you're attacking them.

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[–] mossy_@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

If you want video game streams then look for video games. I looked up the starcraft 2 section and there's not a single thirst trap streamer, same with the video games that I play.

People are always getting pissed off that their favorite thing no longer exists. It's still there, dummy! You just think it doesn't because complaining is more popular than talking about the things that people like.

inb4 "it's just a meme, it can't mean anything"

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[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Didn't Twitch take back a lot of what they said?

[–] KeBaBeeN@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I mean yes, but this is still the Just Chatting section

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Yes but the just chatting section as been this for years regardless of what we last unenforced rules twitch makes

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

ootl is twitch expanding into the amateur porn market orrrrrr

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

For years, Twitch's "Just Chatting" section has basically been podcasts, Reaction content where streamers play a youtube and go take a shit, and (generally female presenting) streamers in various states of undress. You may have heard of "the hot tub meta" which involved putting on a skimpy bikini.

This has resulted in some pretty awkward front pages where it can look like you are looking out the window in a beach town or left a PG-13 movie on. Because, you know, bikinis.

This came to a head semi-recently when "the topless meta" became a thing where (generally) female (presenting) streamers would put on a tube top, position the camera like they are doing a face stream in the early 2010s, and make people think they are actually topless. So obviously a bunch of the most generic white guys with man buns on the planet (and Kai "Trick guests and other streamers into being raped by my violent rapist buddy" Cenat) lost their shit and competed to go viral with their Reaction content to putting something tamer than what TBS shows on daytime television when they play Austin Powers on the screen.

So Twitch/Amazon actually made a good decision for the first time in years by allowing artistic nudity and sexualized content so long as streamers checked a box that would add content warnings and take them off the front page. Which led to a race to promote OF/Fansly content by the streamers interested in that and to show how sexualized content is destroying the white man by the usual suspects. And Twitch, rather than try to moderate this, rolled it back.

Because, as OP demonstrates, there is this completely asinine "theory" that bikini streamers are ruining and taking over twitch. And, while I am not a fan and wish we had the content warning policy, they really aren't. The top 100 streamers by almost any metric are almost universally dudes (many in tanktops because they hit the gym and male nipples aren't scary) with the few female streamers being people like Pokimane or QTCinderella who actively do not do this kind of content.

But just look at people like andrew tate and like half of kick. There is a lot of money in pushing incel content and hate.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. Charalanahzard did a video on this a few days ago I thought was really good.

Essentially what you said: it's not really an issue. It only seems like one because there's a demographic that's intensely jealous and controlling.

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[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I agree that 95% of the reason is just men being uncomfortable with women having success in "their" space when it involves their sexuality, but I can also sympathize with being unable to find a mid-sized chill stream to watch because so many of them are half-nude ASMR streams or body painting. It's like how YouTube has so much trashy corporate garbage protmoted in its algorithm, it's just exhausting to wade through sometimes.

The way incentives are currently set up on both sites just happen to prioritize those types of content though, so it's pointless to get mad at the creators as if they're doing something wrong. Twitch is still a step above YouTube in this aspect as well, since at least you can't AI generate trash content that gets uploaded 100+ times daily on a livestream. You're at least getting real people.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I just loaded up the front page of twitch.

I see two streams where the face cam looks like it is a major part of the stream and I am pretty sure that was just "let's make a thumbnail". One workout stream which was a pretty standard gym attire. The only risque thing I found was one "Bodypaint Xmas (heart emoticon) !socials" and said body paint was good enough that I genuinely had to do a triple take to figure out she was not wearing a shirt. Oh, and a sumo wrestling channel that I followed because holy shit that is awesome.

Like most things: Your algorithm based recommendations mostly say a lot about you. Assuming you actually have a front page that looks like you left TBS on all day: Maybe stop watching the titty streams if you don't want to see more titty streams?

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Their recommendation algorithm doesn’t care what you watch, it cares what other people who watch the same streamers as you watch. So if I watch a lot of shroud, I notice more titty streamers popping up in my recommendations because shroud viewers are more likely to watch titty streams.

More than anything it’s annoying. I come to twitch for gaming content. I really don’t appreciate my recommended tab needing to be censored. It’s not taking away viewers, but it is making the experience on the platform worse for many.

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[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

And it didn't last a day.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why do people watch this shit on Twitch when there are sites where you can watch live porn?

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a father who is a linux wizard and knows every single ip our BABIES go to

why are you using a VPN son 😢?????

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[–] Karelemmy@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, on Twitch and YouTube and Reddit, I'm settled.

On Twitch, I never visit front-page. I follow the channels I follow.

On YouTube, I watch the subscribed channels (and recommend videos. If good, I follow).

Reddit, I don't visit All or Popular. I have the subreddits I wanna follow.

On Lemmy, it's so new that I haven't found all the places, so I go to All on Local and see what's up - like I do now.

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[–] htrayl@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The prude subcurrent on Lemmy is apparently massive. You honestly are being hardly inconvenienced by boob streams and yet it deserves and inordinate amount of complaining. On a real impact basis, you are far more impacted by video games you aren't interested in than boob streamers.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Not interested is very different from disinterested or disgusted.

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[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This makes me feel disappointed. I still remember when I discovered twitch years ago an thought "a whole site for livestreams of people playing videogames? That is so cool!". Nothing lasts forever I guess ...

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Without intentional effort to prevent it, every platform eventually becomes some level of this.

Youtube: remember when they had to scrap "reply" videos because they were all borderline NSFW spam?

Onlyfans: was originally intended to be a platform for fans of fashion, idols, etc. I guess they just embraced it since then.

Tumblr: banned NSFW content because they thought they were becoming a porn site and didn't want to moderate that.

Reddit: Segregated it and relies on community moderation, because otherwise it's like half of the front page.

Twitter: it's still all over, under most popular posts. I don't know if they moderate it out or not.

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

So is social media becoming porn just like entropy or something

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Reddit: intentionally curating the internet's biggest high school to onlyfans content pipeline.

FTFY. I am genuinely shocked they haven't been called out for this yet.

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[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 11 months ago

Its not even changed, bud, ops tripping

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's still tons of video game streamers. In fact, even if 10k titty streamers join the site, that doesn't push even a single video game streamer out.

There's a market for both things, and neither thing is eating the audience of the other.

This is all just stupid neo-puritanical pearl clutching.

A woman showing her tits on twitch isn't going to hurt you, or anyone else.

[–] bmarinov@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (7 children)

You know, I don't get offended or anything. But it's impossible to mute / block streamers, and there are some particularly annoying offenders which I just don't want to see when I open twitch. Just give me the option to filter that out and I won't complain again.

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[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I've personally been blamed for the fact that lascivious female streaming material shows up on my feed despite the facts that I'm not sexually interested in females and the fact that I've never even seen a Twitch.

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