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Murdered by Words

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[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The sun has bleached any color off that moon flag.

Which means it's French.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

THAT’s the burn. A sunburn!

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's probably black not white at this point, not because of bleaching, which did happen, just cause of decay. At least that's what PBS Spacetime told me

[–] echodot 9 points 1 year ago

So pirates then?

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[–] aeki@slrpnk.net 78 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I'm continuously confused about why they think they are free, or at least uniquely free? What does the moon even have to do with that supposed freedom?

I don't think they're trying to make a logically rigorous argument

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Propaganda

What they said is a line from a song we are made to sing as children. They don't really teach us about life in other countries, we have to do that ourselves if we happen to be curious.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You were made to sing that song? Gross!

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago

Yep. From kindergarten to 6th grade we had to sing that along with a myriad of other similar songs. By the time I was around 13 I started to realize how weird it is and I began questioning everything I had ever been taught. Growing up, my parents made me go to a Catholic school every Wednesday evening so I had been taught lots of incorrect and distorted information. Eventually I began skipping class and I would walk around town and do whatever and that is the first time I actually felt free.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Americans knew how good life can be then they wouldn’t settle for such a shitty country. So from birth they are lied to about having good lives

It’s not even healthcare, imagine the poorest country you can and there are places like that there

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're just getting defensive because someone dared to criticize the U.S., that's all.

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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 10 points 1 year ago

To conservative Americans the word "freedom" doesn't mean the same thing that it means to you and I. That's the simple short explanation for your confusion. It would require a much longer discussion to really unpack why that is and how it intersects with ideology.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a big part of our culture, it's even in our theme song

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

And the Rockets' red glare, the Bombs bursting in air,

Gave proof through the night that our Flag was still there;

Yep, accurate.

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I bet someone’s gonna be pissed when they find out

https://i.imgur.com/BFljhn7.jpg

edit: on their 3rd mission

Two previous Chinese lunar missions had flags on the crafts' coatings - so neither could be affixed to the moon.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, this image has been reposted around since before 2020

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

well now they can stfu

edit: meaning the ‘Murican that originally said that, not meme sharers

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would we care about someone else getting our sloppy seconds?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Cause if planting a flag on the moon somehow relates to being a free country, then China would be considered free as well.

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[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

the American dream isn't a dream, it's a delusion

[–] echodot 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The American dream is to become rich and then do the exploiting yourself.

They may as well just give up with the American dream and rename it the rules of acquisition. At least then they'd be being honest with themselves.

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[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

"It's called The American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe in it."

-George Carlin

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

No it is a dream.

It can only be achieved when you are asleep.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Myth: Welcome to America, land of freedom and opportunity!

Reality: Welcome to America, here's your bill. If you don't like it you're free to go die in a ditch. Otherwise, get your ass to work.

[–] EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm ashamed to be an American

Where they make me think I'm free

And I'm appalled by all the lives it took

To sell that lie to me

So I'll proudly stand up to tyranny

And fight it till the day

Cause there ain't no doubt we've fucked this land

Goddamn the USA!

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dude's even factually wrong. The moon has flags from multiple jurisdictions, including the USSR, China, the EU, etc. Pretty much every piece of human-made hardware on the moon has a flag on it.

Or... The moon actually has zero flags depending on your definition. Because the sun quickly bleaches them white as there is no atmosphere to shield against the UV rays.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Apollo 11 flag may not be bleached on one side.

That's because they put it too close to the lander and it blew over when they blasted off. This is the actual thing NASA kept secret about the moon landings for many years.

Anyway, since that flag's been lying in the dirt for all these years, it may not have been bleached by the sun.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

There's something tragic and poetically american about traveling through space to plant your flag somewhere only to accidentally knock it straight over.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the sun quickly bleaches them white as there is no atmosphere to shield against the UV rays.

"Burn this flag, asshole!"
The Sun: "Hold my beer."

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Isn't the flag on the Moon bleached to completly white by now?

So technically only the French have a flag on the Moon.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hey now, that's not fair.

It might be a confederate flag

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As a fellow Jesus-ordained, Trump-blessed freedom-loving American, can someone explain to me what the fuck having a flag on the moon has to do with freedom?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago

The atmosphere cannot constrain my American freedoms. My nations eagle flies where it damn well pleases, including into space. God bless a merka.

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[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only people who are 'free' in America are those who are white, Christian, heterosexual, wealthy, and preferably male.

Everyone else gets oppressed, exploited and thrown under the bus at every opportunity.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

*Rich

(That's actually the most important one)

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[–] ogoflowgo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

You're welcome, USA, for getting you to the Moon.
~Germany, Britain, Canada.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

Stupidest song recorded during my lifetime. David Cross had a nice bit about sending that fucker to war after 9/11. Which reminds me that that other piece of shit country musician wrote a song about that tragedy that was mocked on South Park.

Conservatives are so easy to manipulate through pandering. It almost makes me wish I had no ethics, cause then I'd be rich.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s a Chinese flag on the moon

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

That's the second part of the joke. The one guy doesn't even get that there's more than one flag on the moon.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems rather triumphalist for a UK community to upvote since the health service has been sold off (to the US) for profit. Maybe the other Europeans joined in?

[–] frostyfrog@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everyone here is talking about the flags on the moon... I'm more interested in the hospital bills in all honesty. That, and the wait time for a visit.

[–] tswerts@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Living in Belgium, I'm happy with the social security that's available here and the chances for a good education, etc. But I'm confused as to why this all isn't available for everyone in the USA. The USA is a world leader in so many domains so I would assume that this would benefit its inhabitants first.

[–] deur@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The USA is first and foremost a global leader in making money for corporations. That's really all it is, not much more.

Edit: That person who posted the long comment about how America is "totally fine" for "most people" is pretty dumb for it. Oh they don't have a single clue...

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