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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (3 children)

"you also do that" implies the above isn't actually a myth.

Seriously though, there are at least three groups of homeless with some overlap:

  • people who had a hard time, lost everything, but if given opportunity they will use it to recover
  • addicts, for whom the addiction drive them to homelessness, they need to go to rehab, before they can be helped (seems like this meme refers to them)
  • mentally ill, who don't have family, or family doesn't care about them. They need medical attention. Those are the hardest especially since most don't want to be helped
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago

addicts, for whom the addiction drive them to homelessness, they need to go to rehab, before they can be helped (seems like this meme refers to them)

The meme refers to the people who believe every homeless person falls into this category and not the other two.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Also, long term use of certain substances will often lead to permanent mental impairment

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Having a home makes it far easier to kick an addiction.

Do you think if you got addicted, it would be easier for you to kick the addiction if you kept your home, or if you lost it? Same thing with mental illness or any other problem.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Addicts destroy everything they’re around though. It’s easy to say “oh just give them a house”, until they’ve pulled all the drywall off and ripped all the copper out of the walls to sell for a fix, broken all the windows, and generally destroyed the place.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 24 points 11 months ago

I wish, some of it gets squandered on rent.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, I spend that money on sweets and soda, which will kill me much faster than alcohol and drugs would

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Overdosing on sweets will get you diabetes. Overdosing on drugs and alcohol will get you death.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And diabetes never killed anyone.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

oh thank god

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Overdosing on sweets will get you diabetes.

You think diabetes doesn't mean death?

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Neither does drug addiction.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, if you overdose it does.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

...and if you can't afford insulin, diabetes will kill you even faster.

[–] jawbrakelong@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I spent most of my money on booze, fdm printing, and video games. The rest of it I wasted.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

At this point, professional panhandlers are a much worse stigma. There aren’t many, but you can bet the panhandlers in the best spots, the most outgoing ones, are the pros.

Actually, I’ve found that I don’t even have a choice about whether to trust that someone is truly in need, since I almost never carry cash

But yeah, I mostly gave up when a guy asked for $5 for food at McDonalds and I got him food from McDonalds, and he tossed it on the ground and vandalized my car. It turns out he was one of the most notorious professional panhandlers in my city, and most definitely NOT in need. I decided I can’t tell or I’m a sucker, but it’s probably more effective to help organizations who do this every day

[–] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

when I was on the streets I could not believe just how much money professional panhandlers made.

I'm talking like a couple of hundred a day, depending on the time of month and the location.

I myself could never participate in panhandling, even as a junkie I had self respect lol

I was always worried about someone I knew noticing, but some people have zero problems begging for money, the beggars would brag about how soft people were, especially older women, zero respect

I've been clean for over 10 yrs and my sober life is great, all of these panhandlers are addicts, they are all redeemable

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Excellent job getting out from under that!

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My father gave money to a panhandler when I was a young adult (when I had almost no money to spare). I asked if it bothered him how the money might be spent. His words: "If he needs a bottle to get through the night, who am I to judge?"

That had a profound effect on me. I don't give money to everyone who asks. But I give a hell of a lot more because of that statement. My father was a teetotaler, fwiw.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. If I lived on the streets, I'd want to do practically anything to take my mind off of it. Drugs and alcohol are an easy escape.

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[–] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

what's a "teetotaler"??

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 11 months ago

"If they're just gonna drink, smoke, snort, or inject shit, then why should I give them the same money I was gonna use to drink, smoke, snort and inject shit? I'll just buy the drinks, smokes, coke and heroin and we can do them together."

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Therefore...

...YOU are homeless!

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

By the transitive properties of tequila and codine, you are now homeless!

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t. So, I should stop giving money to homeless? I am confused.

[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No... clearly you should start doing drugs and alcohol.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Best advice I've read on Lemmy so far.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe he should become homeless first?

[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, as someone who enjoys drinking and occasionally other legal drugs, I have to admit OP has made me second guess my POV a bit.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

No, OP’s claim is bogus. Sure, I do use a small portion of my income for vices, for escapism, just like most people. But I don’t use it instead of food. I don’t use it to the extent that it keeps me from paying for the rest of life. I don’t use it to the extent that I can’t function in society.

There’s a huge difference between wasting some money on a vice/escapism, and that vice/escapism becoming your life. I don’t know if it’s just addiction or desperation, or how close we could all be to that pit of despair, but there is clearly a huge difference between using a bad habit to cope with life and your bad habit becoming your life

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