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Always the Same Map

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A based one for once. Note it’s kind of old and the US would be worse by now.

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[–] angrytoadnoises@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

feel attacked by this map correctly identifying that dental care is fucked in my country

legitimately get so much anxiety over the health of my teeth. there are so many problems with them but getting each one examined and corrected costs hundreds of dollars that i never have spare

public health system covers fuck all dental services and the worse it gets the more painful it becomes and the more dental anxiety i accrue, meaning that the affordable procedures i can just walk in and get (ripping teeth basically) terrify me driving me to private services which cost hundreds of dollars and the loop begins again

help me bros i hate it

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

This is a perfect description of my situation too. The only dental work that I can get covered is checkups and cleanings.

A while back I was told I needed a root canal but they (the clinic I go to) can't do those and they're not covered anyway. The other option was to just have the tooth pulled, which the clinic can do for a reasonable fee, but the dentist recommended that I not get it pulled for a bunch of reasons including long term health related reasons. I knew I did NOT want that, so I decided to put off doing anything and just deal with the pain in the hopes I'd be able to pay for the RC later or borrow the money or something.

Many months later I decided enough was enough, I had been in too much pain for too long, I'd just bite the bullet (ha) and pay for it even though I still couldn't afford it. Went back to the dentist and they said it was too late for a root canal, too much of the tooth had deteriorated. Now the option was to just have it pulled or to have replaced with an implant, which the dentist strongly suggested I do if I could. But doing that would be over a thousand dollars more than the root canal was going to cost! In other words, not possible for a poor person like me. So I just had it fucking pulled, exactly what I had been hoping to avoid.

Now I'm having similar pain on the opposite side of my mouth and I know it's going to be the same thing all over. Like you said, the loop begins again. I always had healthy teeth, never even had a single cavity until after I was 30. It's like I'm falling apart, not just my teeth but in all sorts of ways, but I can't afford to do anything about it.

[–] NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why is the west so bad? Is it all the sugar and fizzy sodas?

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is probably a factor yeah, but also many (possibly most?) of the western european countries that have public healthcare do not include dental. And dental is expensive as fuck.

[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Yeah, back when I was struggling financially I would avoid the dentist like the plague and pray that I never get any major issues

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Turns out the care toothbrush is better for you than private ownership of the means of brushing.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I just ate a whole bag of gummy bears. So, yeah.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Also processed food

I know but it's a seekrit and I can't tell you

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing I like about living in Belgium and paying an insane amount of tax on my wage is that dental insurance costs 8 euro's a month and covers everything (mostly up to 4000 euro's per year).

I know it's easier said than done but eat less sweets, sugar and other highly processed crap if you can.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dental insurance costs 8 euro’s a month

Why not make it free at that point? Or is your premium low because your teeth are good?

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It's cheap because that way a lot of people can get insured and the burden of the insurer gets shared by lots of people. There's also a big tax on your pay going to the state's health and unemployment system. So by paying lots of taxes an additional health insurance for bigger medical costs is cheap.

Why not make it free? I don't know, would be great to work towards to.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

See see pee forces children to brush after each meal, literally 1984

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did OMAD and a keto diet for almost a year. Brushed twice a day, flossed at night all of it. My dentist barely had to clean my teeth. It was the fastest I had ever been in and out of the dentist office. lol. Sugar a frequency of eating are the primary factors.

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My dentist barely had to clean my teeth.

I didn't know this is a thing dentist do.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Have you never gone to the dentist? That’s most of what they do, floss, scrape away the Tartar, and add fluoride.

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a hole fixed or something when I was like 5, otherwise I've only had inspections.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, where do you live? (What region/continent, don’t dox obvi)

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago
[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think it's not that common everywhere. In The Netherlands my dentist didn't really do any cleaning but in Belgium they do. The man even started polishing my teeth. I had never been that thoroughly cleaned before.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

scrape away the Tatar

Tartar lmao

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Lol mistype

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In all the countries I have lived in the cleaning is part of the inspection, and then they schedule a followup secondary visit if something needs more work done. The dentist doesn't do most of the work unless it's something more involved.

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe, I have zero clue about dentistry. When I go to the dentist they take the radiography, then feel around with a sharp stick, and that's done in like 10 minutes.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Usually in the "feel around with the sharp stick" stage, they will scrap off plaque and buildup as well.

I mean, it is also just possible you have impeccable dental hygiene and they don't have to do a whole lot. I hate sweets, which has the added benefit of generally keeping my teeth in good condition (minus staining from my coffee habit); my cleanings are pretty fast as well.

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What corn syrup does to a mf

[–] Franfran2424@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

what high sugar diets do to someone. the best food for bacteria on our mouths that produce acid by eating that damages teeth

[–] jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Eat less sweets

[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Come to Brazil

[–] Feersummendjinn 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Feels like this may incidentally be a map of countries with national healthcare and unbiased reporting of tooth decay? There does seem to be a fairly strong correlation.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

There's not that much info to work with. If it's in percentages of people receiving care for exapmle, then it may be easier to draw conclusions. But the map does not specify that.

[–] jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think it has something to do with local eating habits,

[–] Franfran2424@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

its about sugar consumption

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

High carb (with most of those carbs being added sugar or HFCS) western diet does that.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not carbs in general, it’s just the extremely poor quality of the carbs in our processed food.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

That's what I mean when I say most of the carbs are added sugar or HFCS. A high carb diet of wholegrains and vegetables would be much healthier.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The UK should be in a league of its own when it comes to this

[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Arr you saying it should be black?

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Since the color scale is inconsistent, let's just make it orange just because

[–] ScreamingFirehawk 5 points 1 year ago

Can't tell if this is a British teeth bad joke or actually a reference to how difficult it is to register at a dentist right now, and NHS dentists are close to extinct.

[–] centof@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Site I got it from: https://smile-365.com/what-countries-have-the-lowest-prevalence-of-cavities/

Actual source: a dental hygienist’s presentation I saw

[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

austin powers was a documentary

[–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Some of these are a surprise like Japan being so high and the US being moderate.

[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

For engangs skyld er vi i det røde

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Decayed and missing => Bad

Filled (so repaired) => Good

I have like 8 Filled, 0 Missing, 0 Decayed. Why would that be bad?

Why would it be equivalent to someone who have no repaired teeth, 5 Decayed and 3 Missing?

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s the same because the teeth decayed in the first place which is indicative of a diet with too much sugar and processed food that is common in whatever country. Teeth aren’t supposed to decay, they haven’t for most of human history.

[–] stewie3128@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

In colonial America, most people had lost all of their teeth by age 30. George Washington was a famous example of this.