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Fucking Hell. Like the Nazis burning their Records.

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[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If Elon Musk is a government official it means you can sue him personally if you got banned from Twitter for violating your first ammendment rights to free speech.

Same with Trump and Truth social.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 minutes ago

That's cute. You think the constitution still matters.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 47 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

How exactly is there such a thing as a records system not subject to FOIA?

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The article says that the administration seems to be claiming the executive order where they changed the name of United States Digital Service to United States DOGE Service allows them to make the sweeping changes they are making. This is of course ludicrously beyond the pale when it comes to data security violations involved in taking control of data managed by other agencies and getting involved in their staffing. It's a smokescreen for autocracy.

The claim in this particular instance is that they are saying the executive order redefined the reporting structure of the department. Where previously they reported to the Office of Management and Budget, where everything is subject to FOIA requests in the short term, they claim their USDS reports to the White House Chief of Staff and therefore is shielded from FOIA during the current administration. We can theoretically get the data later (I'm sure they'll be very responsible with chain of custody on such important data 🙄) but it will be 4 years later, when no one cares because we're in the trenches dealing with the long term consequences of what's happening right now. So, it is subject to FOIA, yes. But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

No, it's worse than that. They know the Supreme Court will rule on their side no matter how ludicrous the reasoning is. See: the Dobbs decision.

[–] Reasonable_Guy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pen, paper, a trash can, and a lighter

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Even paper records are supposed to be saved.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Am I nuts or during his first term wasn’t there a story about Trump literally eating a piece of paper after he read it??

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

He did that shit regularly. Also tore them into bits, and aides would pick them up and try to tape them back together.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

He probably thought it was a very flat hamberder.

[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Do they record phone calls and face to face communication?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 161 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

JFC...

"Hold on guys, we need to hold up on doing our Totally Legit and Properly Legal thing until we can get on a comms system that is properly hidden from all investigation..."

MAGA: YEAH! THE GOOD GUYS WON!

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 82 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Their conception of morality is exactly backwards.

They first consider if the person aligns with their in-group. If so, then whatever they do (so long as it doesn't directly have a negative impact on themselves) is by nature good.

Obversely, if a person is a member of a group that is not aligned with their tribe then any action taken is inherently wicked and detrimental to society.

They don't judge morality by the action, they judge it by the actor.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's literally how Nazis operate

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 22 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes, it's common to all flavors of reactionary ideology.

Which is why it's so rich for conservatives to pretend to hate "identity politics." It's literally all they have.

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Swamp status: Drained™

Drain the Swamp™ is a trademark of Trump LLC and does not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Trump or president Musk

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

MAGA is another way of saying "brainless zombie".

Those people could not find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

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[–] subignition@fedia.io 102 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

we shouldn't have records systems not subject to FOIA

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 minutes ago

They technically are, but not until the current administration is out of office, which is somewhere in the realm of never.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 70 points 4 hours ago (16 children)

We shouldn't have a majority of voters in the U.S choosing a Nazi, but here we are.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I keep seeing this kind of comment, and it irks me. There's nothing actionable here, and it honestly just comes across as defeatist. Oh well, what can we do, turns out a majority/plurality/murder/what the fuck ever of voters prefer Nazis. That's some greasy fucking energy. We're here now, regardless of what ought to be, so let's start talking about how to deal with it.

[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Great, what are your ideas?

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

Probably the easiest thing ever is to start leaning harder on the democrats to use their considerable political and financial resources to play hardball with Trump. I mean real hardball, litigate fucking everything, show up in person and keep those DOGE fucks out with sticks and bricks if need be, or at least Livestream and name and shame them, put together a rapid response team to counter the blatantly unconstitutional shit, get commitments from military officials that they will defend the constitution; literally anything besides wheeling out Schumer or Bernie to give another speech that everyone will ignore. I love Bernie, but we're way past speeches.

Next, start going to protests, start getting involved with trying to push your local government on issues. I am, it's allowed me to network with other local activists and I'm in a better place to be made aware of local needs and local actions. Also part of this is to check in with your network. I know people that voted Trump 1 and stuck with him all the way through the term that are disgusted with what's happening now, we have mutual aid plans in place. It's not much, but it's a start. This is a good opportunity to plant seeds about mutual aid, protest, general strikes in the future, and organizing.

If you have money, start opening up legal cases. If you don't, then start leaning on state politicians about whether they have plans to deal with the fallout. It's finally worth ruminating on about what finally stopped the Nazis' progress East. It wasn't clever signs and chants. Don't be caught unaware for the worst case scenario.

Don't like what I suggest? Use your fucking noggin and think of something better to do and do it. Even if it's yelling at passing cars. Do anything besides roll over. No peace for Nazis, ever.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Plurality* the majority of registered voters did not vote, voted for harris, or voted 3rd party.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (7 children)

Not voting and voting 3rd party is support for Donald, but whatever makes you sleep better at night

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 hours ago

Those enabling a nazi, are by association also nazis. People need to stop referring to this administration as separate. They are also pushing the agenda, so they are also nazis.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

We should, but only for private citizens. Anything government related should be done in public.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Ignore the courts. All part of the plan. We are fucked.

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 30 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Maybe his yes-men will start using Discord instead lol.

Better question: why aren't they using X, the thing that Elon is advertising as the Everything App?

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the dorkwad who leaked military(?) secrets to his friends on discord a couple years ago. I think he was about their age at the time too, which tracks.

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 3 points 38 minutes ago

On the Warthunder forums there are regular leaks of military secrets, like fighter jet schematics, specs and such just to win arguments. People are fucking stupid.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

All goverment records are subject to FOIA by default. It's an opt-out system.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 3 hours ago

They shouldn't be able to opt out.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Well if the Republican packed courts get to decide it will probably stand. Even though it is total bullshit.

No need to burn records when so many have simply accepted their content being removed from visibility without reason or accountability in this day in age.

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