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American fighters are dying in Ukraine in growing numbers. Bringing their bodies home is a complex task (www.cnn.com)
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[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

She described Nawrocki, a marine veteran of two decades with six tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan, as a “smartass” who loved to make her laugh and was driven to fight in Ukraine because of the toll he had seen on civilians.

She did not want her son to go to Ukraine but this “was an unprovoked war,” she said. “This is everyone’s war. If Russia wins, wins over Ukraine, that affects Poland, that affects all the European countries.”

How on earth do these people reconcile these sentences in their head?

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's depressing how many people just are so willing to throw themselves and their loved ones into the meat grinder on command from the empire. I'm convinced once the US tells Taiwan to declare independence and then China reacts by invading these same indoctrinated tools will claim it was "unprovoked" and that we have to send people to die against them.

Which does raise an interesting thought. (Warning: Tangent) Think tanks have variously pegged 2026-2028 as the latest the US can get into a war with China and prevail. The whole Biden chip strategy of just trying to bribe chip makers to return production only had limited returns. If the empire KNOWS for a fact it's going to start a war and either sacrifice Taiwan or lose access to its chips when they blow up the foundries then IF (big if) Trump actually makes good on his threat of slapping 25% tariffs on Taiwan chip exports it would be a further sign that this is part of a desperate plan to force as much decoupling as they can, to get as much production back in the US before they pull the trigger and start the war. It could yet still be Trump bluster or bullshit (or an attempt to fish for bribes or concessions) but the whip coming in following the carrot in such a short time span is suspicious and alarming and if such tariffs do go through and are not immediately repealed by demand of the tech bourgeoisie then I think it's a sure sign that the US is going to pull the trigger on war with China over Taiwan and use that to institute further decoupling, that the bourgeoisie are onboard with this, at least the old money ones who may be forcing new money to heel.

People have long doubted the will or ability of the US to decouple from China on here and HB, yet the bourgeoisie seem to be lining up in ever increasing class solidarity with the aims of empire even as such aims hit individual interests and wallets.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's a sobering line of thinking, for sure. I think it's very optimistic for intelligence to believe that the USA can win a hot conflict with China now, let alone in the next few years. Chinese and Russian counter-intelligence have been on full display for the last few years and any Rumsfeldian worth their salt should be able to grasp that the unknown unknowns are getting larger, more numerous, and more dangerous.

The USA will not be able to decouple from China in real terms, but your reasoning that they will maximize the decoupling they are capable of in the runup to a conflict rings true. It is likely they are willing to sacrifice Taiwan to bring Chinese capabilities into the light so they can get the Intel they are sorely lacking. I doubt, however, that such an adventure will yield sufficient evidence for an assault on China's mainland.

That leads me to think that if the US does, in fact, go for it, it's going to be strategic nukes and betting against MAD. The only hope there is missile defense coupled with "conscientious objectors" in the US military refusing orders.

More than likely, the USA popping off in Taiwan will result in a frozen conflict that lasts for 5 years or more.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I notice the first sentence is written in the past tense 👀

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

'fighters' ha

[–] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

they didn't even iron the one flag smdh

[–] PanArab@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Who knew Russia wasn’t some developing country with a marginal military.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

If Russia has such a powerful military, then why are they using soldiers from North Korea? 😌

Checkmate tankie.

[–] RedCheer@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

These need tariffs!

[–] Wulftrude_VTuber@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Facha muerto, abono para mi huerto. 😊

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 days ago

Shit I forgot that was still going on lol

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 days ago

Stupid games stupid prizes, Family edition.