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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It makes more sense if you understand that the "thorn" (Þ) is pronounced "th".

Interestingly, the thorn was in pretty common use until the printing press took off because most of the presses in England were imported from France and Germany, neither of which used the thorn so their typefaces didn't include one. For a while people used 'y' in place of the thorn (hence "ye olde"), but eventually it fell out of use all together

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

Printing press is one factor, another is French influence. Greek terms with that sound were written with like in French and so already competed with <þ> independent of the printing press.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I heard that y and th competed and th won in the end.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@RegalPotoo

(My understanding)

The thorn evolved as a pseudo glyph first, have you ever written a "th" really fast? Once the printing press was invented and widespread, it became less common for "th" to look like a thorn and it slowly fell out of use altogether

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's wrong. Thorn was a runic letter before the Latin alphabet arrived in great Britain. Since the latter didn't have a letter for this sound, they used it from the older script. "þ" writing fast looks like "y" which is why that letter was used in print. Words For Granted as a podcast episode about lost letters of the English alphabet, including þorn.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Interesting! I wonder what other linguistic history I have slightly wrong lol

ᚦ is Thurisaz rune.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 weeks ago

May we all be nat eton.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A frog is a wee beast with four legs which lives both in water and on land. He is brown, green, or yellow, or if he is tropical, he may be diverse colors. He has lungs and gills both. He haches from an egg and he then is a tadpole. He grows to be a frog if he is not eaten.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

arguably if you're translating then "wee beast" should be "small animal."

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That is arguable. I wouldn't want to rob it of its flavor. 'Wee beast' is unusual, but it's fine English already.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

The argument - that I don't particularly care about, just idling commenting - is would that be translation or transliteration.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Hatches from an egg" caught me up a bit but I could read this otherwise

You don't care but I was excited

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I just know it from Schnappy das kleine Krokodil we learned in German class haha

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Thought I was reading Dutch there at first. But it was just idiot

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

No, can confirm.

Actually early Middle English and Dutch were not that far apart. More French, of course, but a lot of Germanic verbs and vocabulary that matched up with Dutch.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

They're the same picture

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

You were not alone…

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If anyone is having trouble reading this, it might help to know that "þ" is the same as "th". That's more widely known than it used to be, but it's still pretty niche.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

adding onto this, that weird f looking letter in "beeſt" is actually a long S. So it's read as "beest"

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no did this mean frogge is just a wee lil beast 🥺

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

a wee beest with foure legges bop on water and on lond 🥺

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is like Frisian and English mixed together. As a Dutch man I could stil read this. Except had to figure out that ſ is an s

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: Old English and Old Frisian are closely related.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is probably Middle English. Old English is harder to read https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogga

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it really just looks like someone who speaks english, german, and swedish got a severe head injury

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lots of head injuries going around back then

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

as evidenced by the existence of france

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought this was a really secluded and niche Scots dialect before realising it was just old english.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

ġīese, is eald Englisc; ac nis Eald Englisċ; hwæt ic cweþe hát Eald Englisċ.

Sé mema is on Middelenglisċ.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I read this all in a broad Scots accent. Which is possibly a pretty accurate choice. ~~Old English~~ Early middle English and lowland Scots are very, very similar as languages.

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is early Middle English not Old English.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Ah, how right you are! Sorry, I'll edit.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where can I find more descriptions like this?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's from the proposed Middle English Wikipedia. Here's the frogge article, here are all articles that have been written. But the no-fun-allowed Wikimedia killed it off.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They allow conlangs but not historical languages?? What the actual fuck

[–] sunbather@beehaw.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

its weird and lame middle english was killed off, particularly as theres old english available

[–] IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's a lot of articles written in middle English that make sense on that list, like languages, locations, historical events, historical figures, etc.

Then there's also brainfuck, genshin, and this beauty.

[–] don@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

I can hear the YouTube video done about this.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you NEED to hear the voice actor reading this
https://youtu.be/HguKPVgIZL8

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Little bit of a shame that he reads the thorn as b :-(

Otherwise pretty funny

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Late middle English?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who makes up such funny words?

[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is just how English used to be.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Surely, i'm having a stroke

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I thought this was Froggy Went A Courtin for a moment before reading more.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Read this in Swedish Chef's voice.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ghhp - h'just . . . hang on . . .

*fwhoooooooh* . . . . snif . . . ooohhh . . . . ahh. dang. oh man. whew!

Okay. Next one.

[–] benbrain@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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