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Police questioning a man in Pennsylvania in connection with killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO, law enforcement officials say (www.cnn.com)
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 116 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A partial fingerprint and DNA recovered during the search have so far not yielded matches when compared against law enforcement databases, according to a law enforcement official

This got rushed....

Meanwhile the NYPD specifically and law enforcement in general has a massive backlog of untested rape kits they can't even quantify because they're spread out in hospital closets all over the place without even a comprehensive index.

The fact that NYPD is fast tracking this is exactly why everyone hates law enforcement.

There's a different set of rules for the wealthy than everyone else, and a different set of punishments.

Anytime a wealthy person is the criminal it takes years (if ever) to see a court date. If the victim is a wealthy person everything else gets thrown out the window.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And if it's a corporation killing people, their environment, or their way of life, then it's maybe a small fine already baked into their budget and a promise to "do better".

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel Perdue execs should have gotten 100k or so murder charges, but here we are.

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If the guy had raped the CEO first, do you think they'd suddenly fly through all those rape kits?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, they'd skip everyone in the backlog and do the wealthy person's....

The difference isn't the crime, it's the social standing of the victim.

Like, there's been other murders in NYC, which would have also left this kind of evidence, they don't check those either.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I guess I was thinking those rape kits might help solve that hypothetical case but I suppose not.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

No worries, when they're brought up a common complaint is there could very likely be a fraction of rapists as there are victims.

Because serial rapists are a thing, and the open knowledge that cops don't care about them unless the victim is high social standing means they're likely to keep doing it.

But that still doesn't get cops to look at a backlog in those few cases to see if there's matches. People that habitually prey on others know that if you target the rich, the cops actually try. So with a high profile victim, it's more likely to be staged as random crime of opportunity as to really be random.

If you look back on serial killers/rapists that were caught, it's pretty common for them to be caught because one of their victims was from "middle class" or higher, and the vast majority of victims were from disadvantaged communities.

So there's a lot going on with the topic.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

In for a penny, in for a pound: maybe he'll "slip up" and imply that he's a serial rapist, then refuse to answer any further questions about it. Make them search the evidence.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

That video would be uploaded on pornhub and many straight man might find it interesting

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NYC time to do your duty:

Delay jury deliberations until everyone agrees on a not guilty verdict

Deny that you know anything about jury nullification

Defend our hero

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i wish we could do more for this guy.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, you can.

[–] zach@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m gonna ~~steal~~ shoot the declaration of independence

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago

I can hear that

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Working off of a tip, police stopped a person traveling by bus and recovered a suppressor and a number of false IDs, one of the officials added.

Snitches get stitches

But also, if this is the guy, the moment they release his name it's gonna become memorialized

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A GoFundMe for legal defense would break the interenet, and I gotta feel like this guy knows that...

Also, for anyone wondering why he'd ditch a gun and save a suppressor, it's because suppressors are federally registered. In many states a gun can show up and be connected to a crime, and they can just say it was sold to someone and they do t remember/know the buyers name.

A silencer has accountability and would need a paper trail showing a transfer of ownership.

Edit:

Apparently other sources say he had the fun too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-questioned-pennsylvania-similar-gun-used-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shoo-rcna183443

But still, it's crazy we dont have a federal gun registry and not all states have them either.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't have a wealth of gun knowledge, but I read at least one report right after the shooting naming the type of pistol and why suspect chose it (because it had a long barrel that worked as a suppressor without having to attach/buy one). It even stated that because of the obscurity of the pistol it would 1) narrow down the amount of people owning one 2) would likely be someone with a good knowledge of firearms and well thoughout plan.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

There's the "Welrod" which is WW2 era and at least one modern replica produced today.

Those are designed to be as quite as possible, and require each round to be manually loaded by rotating the back of the gun. Like, its comparable maybe even quieter than shutting a car door.

But it definitely wasn't what was used in the video.

Also, I just saw another article that says he still had the gun too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-questioned-pennsylvania-similar-gun-used-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shoo-rcna183443

So, slightly conflicting info from different sources on what he had

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But I don't want the gubernment to have a registry showing my five guns that I constantly describe in detail to everyone and photograph regularly for lib-owning Christmas cards on social media. If there were a registry, they could use that information to send more of their government-manned guns against me, a single person with fewer hands than I have guns. Can't you see that this unreasonably risky lapse in information is all about MY safety???

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

The handwritten manifesto found on the person of the man detained in Altoona criticized health care companies for putting profits above care, according to a senior law enforcement official.

The man who was detained at McDonald’s showed the police the same fake New Jersey identification that the man believed to be the gunman presented when he checked into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan on Nov. 24, a senior law enforcement official said.

Oh shit it’s him.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/uhc-ceo-murder-suspect?referringSource=articleShare

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If he didn't ditch the gun, fake ID's, and a smoking gun manifesto, this guy isn't that bright.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Either a copy cat or a diversion IMHO

Watch him having a strong albi like being at work that AM

[–] halfsak@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NYPD probably found the gun and id's in the backpack found in central park and planted it on this guy so they could claim victory

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean that's about how I expect a generic cop to do investigation

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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the same fake new jersy identification

You fool!

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Welp, at least the silver lining is that they didn't randomly accuse a scapegoat.

Let the Nullification begin!

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

He’s going to be villified badly by the media.

They’ll probably give him a mental health diagnosis so they can argue he wasn’t sane. It would be too dangerous for them to accept him as sane.

Kind of like Kacyznski’s political diagnosis of “schizophrenia” after he killed the CEO of a logging company. Which was called a “political diagnosis” by his post-trial prisoner psychiatrist.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

If he's put even a single toe out of line in the past, it'll be dissected in the media.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

News on NYC TV says that NYC cops and district attorneys are making all speed to Altoona. When you get the DA out of his office....

[–] shani66@ani.social 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope the snitch gets found out too

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Um... lets not target someone who is potentially just unwittingly being a useful idiot.

Not everyone understands the entire situation, given how much propaganda the media has to make people sympathize with this mass murderer CEO. Whoever gave the tip is an idiot, and should be ashamed of themselves, but lets not incite violence against them, they are just a victim of propaganda.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Nah man, zero tolerance for snitching. Period.

To elaborate:

  1. cops are allowed to lie to you if they think it'll help their investigation. You can't trust a word they say.

  2. You have no idea how information you give will be used or who it will be used against.

  3. mind your own fucking business

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago

Snitches get stitches.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

-1) think you'll get a nice $50k reward for selling out a guy, then find out you didn't do enough to actually qualify for it.

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[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Why keep all that evidence on him?

Do everything like a pro but botch last leg?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If that's the guy that pulled down the mask, then he was not really a pro.

But... at least that smile got us memes.

May the meme format last forever

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The picture of the guy smiling and the shooter don't match.

Different backpack color

Jackets don't match, one has front pocket, other doesn't

Anyone who could pull the hit and escape without a trace would not be dumb enough to carry around the evidence with him in a public place instead of ditching the evidence and laying low.

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[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What was pro about this?

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

Dang. If I were to do something like this I would totally not show up anywhere I wouldn't usually go for 2 weeks.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

With the stakes being what they've now become, does it matter if they truly found the guy or can prove it was him?

Most importantly who will accept any alternative truth posed about the situation?

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

All he needs to do is run for President.

[–] sweetviolentblush@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Welp, they announced the suspect. Luigi Mangione, 26. Here is his possible twitter. The eyebrows seem to match 😔

https://twitter.com/PepMangione

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Luigi

LUIGI?

Btw xitter profile seems to got nuked

Here is archive: https://archive.is/wuc3i

[–] sweetviolentblush@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wow that was quick. His fb and linkin tree are still up for anyone curious

https://www.facebook.com/luigi.mangione.2

https://linktr.ee/lnmangione

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know if a healthcare CEO assassin eating at McDonalds lines up.

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