Montreal shopping mall plays “Baby Shark” on repeat to prevent unhoused people from loittering : nottheonion

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 36 minutes ago

Just in case people do not fully grasp the amounts of "doo"s in this song:

Baby shark, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Baby shark!

Mommy shark, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Mommy shark!

Daddy shark, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Daddy shark!

Grandma shark, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Grandma shark!

Grandpa shark, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Grandpa shark!

Let's go hunt, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Let's go hunt!

Run away, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Run away!

Safe at last, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

Safe at last!

It's the end, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

It's the end!

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

homeless

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What's with the wording of this title? "Unhoused people" instead of "Homeless"/"Homeless people"

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 1 hour ago

It's like the difference between calling someone wittless and uneducated.

One implies that's just how the person is, the other implies a failing of society/family.

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

I like the word unhoused, it implies they should just be housed if they are homeless. Everyone should be housed, even if they don't own a home

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 35 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

What about the people who work there? Are they trying to make them quit then become homeless and leave the mall too?

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

According to the article, it plays in the emergency exit stairwells, a place that if you're using it you should be trying to leave as quickly as possible.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If I was escaping a fire, and the stairwell had baby shark playing, I'd walk back into the fire.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 2 points 3 minutes ago

I really don't want to die with Baby Shark being the last song I hear

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 14 points 5 hours ago

No they are supposedly insane already.

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[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 53 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Unhoused? Has homeless as a word been banned?

[–] allthelolcats@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

There’s also the difference in how the word is used more as an adjective than a noun. In the same way calling someone a disabled is a lot more dehumanizing than saying they are a person with a disability.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think the idea is to put the responsibility for housing onto society/authority as opposed to the victim.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 24 minutes ago

Doesn't homeless imply its society's fault too?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 41 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure about Canada, but in the US:

Homeless = no permanent residence, which also includes couch surfing, parents and children who just fled an abusive family member and are temporarily ltaying with friends or relatives, and people who are living in their car. All people without a home.

Unhoused = homeless people that don't have a roof over their heads. Might include living in a car.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

They are synonyms. Please don't make things up.

Edit: to all the knee-jerk downvoting. This is literally a quote from an article the user himself supplied as proof that there is a difference.

Unhoused is probably the most popular alternative to the word “homeless.” It’s undoubtedly the one I see most often recommended by advocates. But it doesn’t have a meaningful difference in connotation from the more common term, “homeless.”

It's literally just a pc synonym of homeless.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They are not. I work with data collections on students and have had to explain the difference to people who don't understand that a kid who is kicked out of their home and is staying with friends is homeless even if they are not out on the street for federal reporting.

Homelessness defined in law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/11302

A more thorough explanation that contrasts the terms: https://invisiblepeople.tv/homeless-houseless-unhoused-or-unsheltered-which-term-is-right/

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

And what's the definition of unhoused according to law? You aren't wrong in what you just said but its missing the point, unhoused literally means the same thing. The goverment only uses the term homeless if I'm not mistaken.

Unhoused is probably the most popular alternative to the word “homeless.” It’s undoubtedly the one I see most often recommended by advocates. But it doesn’t have a meaningful difference in connotation from the more common term, “homeless.”

That's a quote from the link you just gave.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Welcome to the euphemism treadmill

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Language has power. You'll notice successful effort on the right to get pundits to refer to Oil as Energy. Oil has negative implications, energy has positive. Homeless has negative implications for the person, unhoused has negative implications for the government.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

In the US they mean different things, as homeless includes people living in other people's homes. That can include people whose house just burnt down and are living with friends or family because they lost their permanent residence (home). U housed is about where they are staying.

People on the street are homeless and unhoused.

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[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 97 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

This is from the city where it's illegal to be homeless. One man even collected over $100,000 in fines for being homeless.

Yeah, that'll help.

[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

It's not "being homeless" that is illegal, though. It's drinking in public, begging or sleeping in the metro. And it sure is tough not staying in the metro during winter. There are some organisms that can provide shelter, but not enough for everyone, and it usually cost a couple dollars, which not everyone have everyday. And it's a real problem on both sides, as the metro was not meant to become a shelter for the homeless, and people have been complaining more and more they feel unsafe there.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 28 minutes ago

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread." - Anatole France

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 31 minutes ago

La Maison du Père costs 1 dollar a night, and they'll let you in if you explain that you can't pay the $1.

Some just don't like shelters. They don't like the rules, other people, or fear getting their stuff taken.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Sure "being homeless" isn't the crime itself but you're being naive if you don't think the laws make homelessness illegal. What are they supposed to do? Go find a piece of land no one has claim to and freeze to death?

[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago) (1 children)

And what are we supposed to do? Legalize all drugs and being drunk in public just to avoid having to fine them, and install beds everywhere in the Underground City (and in this post's case, in emergency stairwells at the Complexe Desjardins) with no regard for their regular use? Sure, let's work on proposing more accessible legal alternatives. Just take note that these laws weren't created to punish the homeless, but to have a clean and safe public space - which have been degrading for some time now.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 27 minutes ago

We could just house them. That seems to work.

[–] manqkag@sh.itjust.works 53 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Man that sounded wild to me, so I dug around a bit and it's fucking true. Although the amount is closer to $110,000 it's still insane.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 47 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Hey, we heard you can't afford a house, so we're charging you fines in the amount of what it would have cost to buy a house.......we're so cool! We solved homelessness! Because now if you want to be homeless, it actually costs more to NOT buy a house. So you may as well just buy a house!

We did it guys! We ended the concept of homelessness! High five!

[–] manqkag@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I mean why don't the homeless just buy a house? Are they stupid?

[–] NeatoBuilds@mander.xyz 21 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Have they tried just being rich and buying their own building to sleep in front of?

[–] manqkag@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 hours ago

Maybe it's their broke mentality that's the issue bro stay on the grind 🔥 💯

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Something something bootstraps and avocado toast?

[–] 4z01235@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

we're charging you fines in the amount of what it would have cost to buy a house

Oh how I wish I could buy a house for that kind of money. You should go look at what housing costs in Canadian cities.

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[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yeah, it was from awhile ago. I couldn't remember if it was one or two hundred thousand. I've corrected my comment to be more accurate. Here's an article on it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-homeless-man-100k-fines-1.3473707

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 9 hours ago

Aaaah, I love living in a capitalist hellscape

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

What happens if the man does not pay? Will they put him in jail?

[–] moody@lemmings.world 17 points 8 hours ago

Canada does not have debtor's jail. Nothing will really happen except that more fines will keep racking up. No collection agency is going to take on a homeless person's debt, so eventually those debts will just disappear, assuming he makes no effort to pay them off.

In the meantime, if he tries to escape homelessness, it's a lot harder nowadays to find an apartment with a landlord that doesn't check your credit, and 100k+ in unpaid debts looks really bad.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago

In the ultimate act of irony… Maybe they’ll put him in a house.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 21 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

At least its music, though this does confirm that Baby Shark is something they'd have played at Gitmo if it'd been around 2 decades ago.

I have been to many places where things like these are everywhere:

Imagine this but diesel powered, a bit chonkier, and they just emit this high pitched scream (there are other versions called 'mosquito alarms'), and has extremely bright, blue strobing lights that will induce seizures in anyone susceptible.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

JFC, the cruelty really is the point...

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[–] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The gas station near me blasts very loud opera music at the area surrounding the building. I think it's also to prevent kids from loitering as there is a school nearby as well as plenty of homeless.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Classy

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don't know if this is better or worse than the ear murdering high pitched screeching they play in the stairwells at a mall in Ottawa

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

So as a worker with a house, can I sue when I go insane from hearing that song over and over? Didn’t they do this in Guantánamo to torture and break people?

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