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    [–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 14 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

    The only thing I disagree with here is Win8 being apparently better than Win10.

    Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen, and while Win8.1 did help, Win10 was by far the better implementation of PC Metro IMO.

    Having said that, Win11 is exactly where it needs to be. It's all of Win10's worst traits cranked up to 11 with a heaping of it's own bullshit and spyware on top

    [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

    Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen

    So many people say that but I actually liked the menu. It opened very fast and you could far more quickly find and hit the right tile than that stupid nested programs tree that was the norm in the start menus of earlier Windows versions.

    I'd say considering that telemetry started to creep in primarily with Win 10, 8 was indeed better (meaning less bad).

    [–] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

    This implies that Linux is rising but still worse than the worst windows os 🫣🫠🫤😴🤧🤮🥴

    [–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 33 minutes ago

    the graphs are separate, not superimposed. I agree it's confusing

    [–] ddplf@szmer.info 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Linux is so bad it's worse than everything else even when others are enshittifying aggressively? Got it!

    [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world -1 points 48 minutes ago

    Over the years I've tried switching to Linux and it definitely was less user friendly. I think Mint has made huge strides and hopefully will be able to take over.

    [–] smeg 2 points 47 minutes ago (3 children)

    Wasn't 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?

    [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 4 points 27 minutes ago

    Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the "last" Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.

    That's not 100% true as Me used something called "Real mode DOS" which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc.. and the Server variants).

    Win Me was the "Mistake Edition" because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn't ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.

    And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:

    "System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem."

    [–] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 23 minutes ago

    Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.

    NT -> 2000 -> XP
    98 -> ME -> XP

    Though, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.

    [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 24 minutes ago

    2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.

    But you're right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.

    [–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 27 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

    Vista wasn't that bad. The dodgy selling it on computers that couldn't handle it was an issue (much like they still do with selling laptops with only 32gb storage).

    I still think it was one of the nicest looking - black taskbar with the start button sticking up, sidebar widgets, aero glass etc

    [–] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 18 minutes ago

    I think some of the biggest complaints about Vista were its poor driver support and over-active UAC. You couldn’t hardly do anything on the computer without UAC bugging you for permission when Vista first came out.

    [–] GiveOver 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    It was never stable for me. I remember I had a laptop that would always refuse to shut down because "shutdown.exe" was running

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    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 56 minutes ago

    I remember the hardware situation being very fucked, due to driver authors not updating their shit in time and people trying to get their older stuff working which worked fine under XP, but was incompatible with Vista's new driver model. It took a couple years until the release of 7 for most of those issues to get ironed out.

    [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 1 hour ago

    Linux isn't an upward curve, either. It mostly is, but those krackle-pops have to put a dent in the curve.

    [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 129 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

    Win 10 was definitely an improvement over 8. I'd even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp. Of course now 10 has been fully enshitified but it used to be good.

    [–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 minutes ago

    I'd even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp

    How can you so batantly skip over Win 7? I've heard some argue 10 was better (it wasn't) but that 7 >> XP was pretty undisputed.

    All three are shit compared to Linux, of course (Arch btw).

    [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 hours ago

    I would agree that 10 was very good, but i could say similar things about windows 11 which in many ways performs better then 10.

    And yet its shortly after upgrading to 11 that i switched to linux to never look back.

    I think part of the logic in this meme is that it doesn’t matter how good the basic functions of the operating system are but what does is the design philosophy of the company. Loyalty in other systems decreased while Loyalty in windows gained.

    Microsoft force feeding edge, onedrive, burrying the local account option till after the install with Microsoft account.

    Randomly finding an update put a second weather widget on my taskbar that shows a different weather then the one in start. Taskbar icons that cant be closed, only hidden.

    These things don't affect the OS functionality in a big deal but its like i was in an abusive relationship that i finally got out of. No matter how much sweet talking and promises to do better i am not going back.

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    [–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    The colouring is shit, MacOS turns red at its peak. So, was it good or bad at that moment?

    [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 points 25 minutes ago

    It was the best of OS, it was the worst of OS.

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 5 points 2 hours ago

    So good, it's bad

    [–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 44 points 3 hours ago (8 children)

    10 and 11 are waaaaaaaay better than 8. But meme is meme.

    [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    Maybe out of the box, but with classicshell 8 was better

    [–] germtm_@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

    my dad genuinely preferred Windows 8 with Classic Shell over Windows 7.

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    [–] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

    Windows has commited a sin()

    [–] Klear@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

    Why? Just cos.

    [–] zante@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
    [–] smeg 3 points 48 minutes ago

    Yeah, I'd say it's the ~~best~~ least horrible it's ever been

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    [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    That's not completely true, in Linux there are many points where old software sucks and new software isn't ready for mass adoption. Like when everyone knew x11 was deprecated but nothing supported Wayland (to this day major WMs like cinnamon and xfce still haven't switched over and most small wms never will). It gets better over time but there are dips in quality and Linux devs do sometimes make mistakes.

    [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

    True, Linux is both the best and the worst at the same time.

    The Base OS is great, but the apps are mostly terrible, with a few notable exceptions.

    [–] Flax_vert 18 points 4 hours ago (14 children)
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