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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Ya know, I think a lot of people miss the point on this. There are some real biggots that hate trans and yadda yadda, but the majority of joe everyman voter is really saying "im struggling to pay my bills and all you care about is peoples genders, and people who arent even american". Is it true? No. But politics for most people is about feeling and emotion. There is no logic talk that will change that. You have to meet simple people at their level; you cant force them to reach your level and understand all the nuance. They are not capable.

Its imperitive that the left stop falling back on this rhetoric, over the economic issues that the majority of voters care about. And dont say "well this policy and that policy and.." They dont understand any of that. They need to hear that they come first.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

“I put a fascist in power because mcdonals tripled the price on a quarter pounder combo”

-Typical 3x trump voter-

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

The thing is, the left ain’t doing shit for trans people. Kamala never said she’d do shit for our rights.

Conservatives are the ones who make this about trans people. I transitioned more than ten years ago - no one gave a rats ass in 2014.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago

I just disagree with most of this. We should never stop talking about the social issues. A lot of really outspoken Trump etc folks are out to distort and transform our country in oppressive ways, with no regard to economics. We must fight that.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

This is 100% true and people here won't want to hear it.

We lost and we lost BAD. I want to be reasonable and learn WHY we lost.

Just sitting here screaming how everyone is racists and sexist, is juvenile and will cause us to learn NOTHING.

However fucked up a vote for Trump was, it's more damming that people chose HIM over our candidate.

Trump GAINED black and Hispanic voters, so just screaming racism ain't it.

Fairly or unfairly, the Democrats are burdened with the baggage that they care more about identity politics and policing language than actually fixing anything. That's what I've learned.

We've got a big echo chamber here, and most of the shit we discuss here doesn't resonate with the majority of people.

We're more concerned about people saying "unhoused" than actual homelessness and how to solve it.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 169 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Wow, he's the guy in the Matt Bors comic:

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 65 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I had an argument with my neighbor a few months ago. He was dead serious that it's the Democrats' fault for making young men Nazis. His arguments were basically exactly what this comic is saying. If you tell someone that hating minorities is wrong, that just makes them hate even harder.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

This is actually a very interesting psychological phenomenon. I'm no psychologist, but stretching what I learned from "how to win friends and influence people" to the extreme, directly opposing someone's viewpoint generally forces them to defend it. By defending it, they rationalize the reasons why they adhere to the idea, and thus end up convincing themselves of their belief.

Your opposition literally only serves to force them to rationalize their belief, and deepen their belief in that thing.

It's fascinating, but stupid. In my experience, the most intelligent people I've ever spoken to will always take opposition seriously, even if with a grain of salt. When struck with an opposing viewpoint, they usually inquire about it, asking the speaker to justify their position so they can understand why they came to this conclusion. The mildly intelligent will then use that justification to tear down the person's belief in that system. The highly intelligent will then ask questions that cause the speaker to question their own beliefs.

But doing nothing more than asking specific and pointed questions about someone's beliefs, I have seen very intelligent and clever people, get others to convince themselves that they're wrong in what they believe.

Long story short, your neighbor isn't wrong, but they're also not exactly correct. The character of a person, IMO, is not in what they believe in, but how they react to adversity. Whether that adversity is political, intellectual, physical, or emotional; how you deal with difficulty is the content of your character.

If making people of color, LGBTQIA+ people, and women, equal, by granting them the same rights and freedoms as everyone else (including bodily autonomy, and the ability to live, vote, and marry who they wish), causes you to start to lean towards fascism, what do you think that says about your character?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

If you tell someone that X is wrong, that just makes them X harder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_(psychology)

The use of more concrete, low-controlling language, and the restoration of freedom through the inclusion of a choice-emphasizing postscript, may offer the best solution to reducing ambiguity and reactance

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 122 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't believe it's your first time tim

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 74 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Might be his first time voting

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

More likely the "president, congress, and senate" that's doing the heavy lifting here IMO. If I had to put money on it I'd probably guess it was usually like straight R and then like he'd vote for Joe Manchin and be like "see I voted for both Republicans and Democrats"

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tim Pool got his start being a shill against the Occupy Wall Street protestors in 2010 and 2011, like many of the fascists we all know and hate, such as Stephen Crowder. The idea that he has voted democrat until now is such a joke it is practically an anti-joke.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He never actually says he voted Democrat before. Just that this is his first time voting republican. So he either didn't vote or voted libertarian.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He kinda implied it though.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Of course he did.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I googled it so you don't have to.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The 3 or 4 times I've heard someone use that word here on Lemmy to describe what they don't like, they've been pretty up front that it's about identity politics. IE they hate that trans people want to identify as a gender other than the one they were born with.

So this is making it look like they're just putting "identity" into a bigger word and making it sound fancier.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That definition appears inconsistent with how that word was used in the tweet. What is the leftist version?

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Trying to find ideological consistency in this one might be a fool's errand, I'm sorry to say.

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pim tool is not what you would call a "smart" or "consistent" person... I'm fact, person may not even be the best descriptor for them.

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[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Guys (et al), please don't make fun of the dim fool's name. It's rude and frankly immature.

Edited: spelling

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tim Poole is so inconsistent with his own opinions that he regularly contradicts himself within the same thought. It's incredibly cringe inducing and wildly frustrating to even hate listen to his show. He also does some really blaringly racist cherry picking for topics and constantly pushes the "crime is out of control" narrative with only anecdotal evidence. I utterly hate his show and wish he would actually face some repercussions for his Russian payoff (he won't but I wish he would).

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Theres more than one clip (I think by Some More News) of him stopping mid-sentence while reading as he realizes the article completely debunks the point he's trying to make and passing it off like it still made his point.

[–] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

That's exactly it, and this tweet image was none other than Cody Showdy himself.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 71 points 4 days ago

Aka I got paid by a foreign actor under the table to push my audience further to the right.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I bet dim tool the Russian fool says that every four years

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hey that's newsdude Cody Johnston!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (6 children)
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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

I bet Warmbo made him post on Twitter.

[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck him don't bring his bullshit here

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

But definitely bring mista cody here

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

I don't like the woke movement either, but I like the "Race war now!" movement far, FAR, FAR LESS...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Dude has no idea what he's saying and is just throwing labels around to sound smart. Hilariously, he might be outing himself as a racist too.

[–] Lightsong@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

What's really sad is that I see plenty of this among my community. They get mad at stuff that they're willing to flip over other side just to get back at them or something.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

What's under the hat, Tim?

Take it off, you bald, insecure bitch. I did.

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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago

By the numbers, no one changes sides this election. The reason Kamala lost is about 10 million democrats just decided the presidential election isn't worth the voting line.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Watch the recent video of sam seder (Majority Report) going on tim pool's podcast, he shits on tim pool so bad, tim pool is a pathetic, hateful loser.

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[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

The supposedly "PC" left is full of fucking obnoxious and annoying brats who don't know anything about morality, anthropology, history, political theory, and basic statistics. They demonize white men en masse incessantly and condescend to any who challenge their half-baked fan-fictions or propose some sort of nuance to their premises. Many of them base their entire personalities on their mental illnesses and grievances.

But I still voted for Harris because, fundamentally, that's better odds of survival for the environment, unions, women's autonomy, protections for whistleblowers, antitrust measures, counters to Russian and CCP aggression, and basically everything else that actually matters to the survival of the species and our federal republic. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A GRADUATE DEGREE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, TIMMY, YOU BALD CUCK.

Adults don't abandon their principles because of some dumbasses "on their side". And by the way, Harris was a dogshit corporatist establishment candidate that I'd NEVER vote for if given different circumstances.

[–] Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Man, I remember a video I saw like 7 years ago. Two black college students were reading the riot act to a white kid for having dreadlocks. Like, I get it, but pick your battles. That is not your enemy. The left needs to recognize when they're overreacting because it just gives the right ammo for their nonsense gun. Because the voters the dems are losing, who barely pay attention, will have stronger reactions to trash like this than they have to nuanced defenses of bidens record in the post pandemic economy.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Like he wasn’t voting libertarian before.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

you gotta be really comfortable in your world to fuck it up that bad

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