How can somebody just shout "they're lying" to get their stock back up and get away with it?
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Expect shit they try to bury in the election news cycle
Well I guess he must know about some secret point to killing his own company.
"We can't make an affordable Tesla unless we come up with something that would make it too expensive."
Gotcha.
Chinese EV it is, then!
Until we tax them ridiculously (50-100%) to keep things "fair" for the american auto makers that refuse to build anything smaller than a chevorlet suburban.
Along with European, Japanese, and South Korean automakers. Nobody is building EVs this cheap because no other country's government is dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into selling them well below their actual cost.
Aww that's so sad. It's a shame nobody has the economic wealth and power to absolutely dominate the market if they put a equal amount of money into EVs. I guess we'll just have to keep spending our money on the military
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Those automakers are at least trying to compete by building small cars. I see more ads for electric f150s than i see for compact cars in north america.
The profit margins are insane compared to sedans.
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Correct, because Uncle Sam is spending hundreds of billions of dollars to make oil and gas as cheap as possible while automakers spend bullions every year on stock buybacks. America's poor investments are all China's fault.
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Every country subsidized their auto industry, it's just that all the benefit goes directly to ceos except in china apparently.
Ford received 9 billion in June.
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This is why hes suddenly against it, theres no way Chinese EVs are coming stateside, and the US is even leveraging Mexico to keep them out of Mexico too. He doesn't want to make the smaller profit margin thing everyone wants, because the government is just going to ban what everyone wants instead.
I so badly just want a tiny electric vehicle. I don't travel much. Just need it to go around town and maybe a town over.
Do you need windows? Renault has a couple of small ones, the Twizy and Zoe, in order of size. Dunno if they're still available. Else in my country they have the BYD dolphin and Smart One Plus.
Americans aren't allowed to buy BYD personal vehicles...
Yay for freedom
We have to take the regulation we can get, okay? Not everyone can have legal systems that "make sense" like you get in them skandinavyvian hellholes. Catch me dead in a country where you can just assume the tap water is potable...
Or import European EVs that aren't pre-approved. No Renault Twizy.
Nissan Leaf?
A used Bolt is pretty cheap.
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Musk is a fascist bigot. I wouldn’t drive a Tesla if it was given to me for free. Just walking up to it and seeing that T would piss me off. In a way, I’m glad he refuses to build a cheap EV.
it's easier to raise tariffs so that efficiently produced foreign electric cars are just as expensive. God bless America
Oh, Musk is way too powerful and totally nuts, he's gone off the deep end. Also he's gone full asshole, there's hardly anything redeemable about him these days.
That said, I'd drive any car that was given to me for free, and I won't pretend otherwise.
Also, despite Musk, Tesla has done amazing things for the auto industry, I'm extremely pleased to see this shift to EVs across the board.
Oh, I’d take a free car; but instead of driving it I’d turn around and sell it immediately. Then I’d buy something that wasn’t a badge of shame.
As someone who works in the industry, and done plenty of work for Tesla, I can create a far greater list of all the things they've fucked up in the industry, including electrification.
Not ~~consuming~~ implying you’re wrong but I’d really like to see that list.
Very, very broadly, I'd say a lot of my concerns boil down to them convincing the broader industry as a whole that cutting costs and delivering a shit product is okay, so long as you're doing it as a "technology company"
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Pushing out buggy, half-baked SW because "we'll fix it with an OTA" and a recall has little to no direct financial impact, allowing for you to gamble lives on hopefully getting a SW update out before the bugs cause accidents or deaths, rather than spending the time/money to get it right from the start.
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Removing stuff like important, standard hard controls (buttons/stalks/etc) to make everything a touch control, purely for cost cutting, but acting like it's because buttons are "old tech"
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Pushing that 100% BEV is the only current solution, rather than pushing for a far cheaper mass improvement of fuel economy and scaling BEVs as HEVs grow too, especially in developing markets.
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Using a proprietary charging standard for nearly a decade, solely as a sales tactic, and only cooperating with other OEMs once it allowed them to collect government subsidies
Those are just a few I can think of off the very top of my head, and the ones I've seen have the most impact on the broader industry. I can go into more detail on any of them as well.
Fuck musk.
he's still building the car. it's just the price will be double or more.
Leon's a leech.
There's at least one sure-fire way to remove leeches.
They still don't have fully autonomous 100k cars!
I'm guessing that to him, the only market for the car will be for deliveries. Fleet use. He isn't interested in consumer sales.
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