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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 88 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The west is deindustrializing in the quest for Net Zero

Lmao thats a fucking lie

Wait, wait

The west is [...] in the quest for Net Zero

Still a fucking lie

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Net zero what? Net zero wage payments? Bc I know they’re not talking about hitting climate goals lol

[–] Zascoco@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago

The only net zeros goal that the west is actively pursuing is genociding every palestinians alive and other natives around the world.

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 76 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

His main point isn't even true, China is installing more electric arc furnaces every year. As of January 2024, China has installed 151 million metric tons per year of operating EAF capacity, exceeding the 143 MMt/y needed to achieve the 15% EAF production target by 2025.

British steel, for comparison, has an operating (blast furnace) capacity of 5.9 MMt/year. Yet its going to take until 2032 for them to convert 4% of what China can do in a year? LMAO

So yes, they are winning in every imaginable way xi-lib-tears

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago

lmao, that's more than Europe's total steel production. Keep cryin' colonizers

https://www.eurofer.eu/statistics/production-of-crude-steel

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

British steel, for comparison,

An Indian company shut down British steel production last year

Ta ta!

After the very same company nearly did the same to Poland you would think other countries would think twice before letting them have their strategic resource production but alas.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 57 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

skimming this it looks like all of the deindustrialization he describes is due to profit-maximizing decisions, which he then pretends were made for environmental reasons

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Must be nice to live in a country where people are actually put to work instead of your choice of unemployment or two minimum wage jobs (and even then good luck getting an interview) because porky is way too picky to hire anymore.

[–] Sausage@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I do hear that china has very high youth unemployment though but idk how the statistics are made if lots of those young people are in university or training I guess it’s not to bad

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember looking it up and it was about the same as Europe but higher than the US.

[–] Sausage@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

It’s at 18.8% which is high here where I am it’s around 10%

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a feeling he is not an environmentally conscience person

[–] neo@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

his implied point is cutting carbon emissions is bad

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

Mr. President, we must not allow a CO2 gap!

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is probably inevitable tbh. Climate Change will affect the global south worse than the west. So at some point the west is going to actively try to make emissions worse in order to "punish" the rest of the world for opposing colonialism.

[–] neo@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My read is not that. The "news" article is basically lamenting how the UK/Europe is handicapping itself "green" regulations, so their industry moves into evil China's realm. And that this action doesn't even do its purported goal of reducing CO2 emissions because he says that China "continues to build more new coal-fired power plants than the rest of the world combined."

I'm not sure if that claim is true, but his argument is not, "therefore we need to pass laws/tariffs on CO2-produced goods" for the sake of the planet. His point is the green regulations will enslave the west to China. Literally. "The inevitable end result will be subservience to China."

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think you misunderstand me, I agree with your point. If anything I was going further than you were, I was saying that the west will actively increase emissions in order to make life harder for people in the global south as a form of "revenge" as the west slips into irrelevance on the international stage.

[–] pastalicious@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tons of CO2 particles that could have joined their friends and families in Earth's upper atmosphere but now aren't going to because the Chinese are genociding them with their "clean" (read "pure", obviously a dogwhistle for gas supremacy) technologies.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The righteous Carbon Liberation Front is being oppressed by the evil CCP!!!

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

Carbon Control Party

:kelly:

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

By the time the west has gone through its collapse phase, and begun to try something new socially and economically, it's going to be so far be behind.

Even from a purely nationalist chauvinist angle, neoliberalism has been an unmitigated disaster.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago
[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago
[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

Summary:

The West Is Falling because our green energy is made by Chinese producers and because said green energy is weaker than fossil fuels because it’s too woke

Carbon emissions are still bad when the reds do it though cause they’re caring more about supplanting the international-community-1 Free World international-community-2 than about the environment because they still have coal power plants

The enemy is both woke and unwoke etc

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago
[–] bolshevikLovelace@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

screenshot of a comment under the article, reads "Time for Western countries to shut down and defund not the police departments but Universities which gave up producing valid science, intellectuals. The Root cause are crackpot socialists and corporate commies."

seeing China's W's, maybe we need more corporate commies