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The Anti-Fascist Action were backed by the German Communist Party.

The Iron Front were set up by SocDems as an anti-communist alternative to AntiFa.

Because as we all know, the only way to fight disease is to oppose medicine and promote a homeopathic snake oil instead.

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[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

excuse me its not against communism its just against redfash tankies

the social democrats dident want authoritarianism so made agroup to fight the fascists by *opens history book* teaming up with the fascists to kill the communists, then all getting shot by the fascists once the way was cleared for them

so there, tankie smuglord

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Working Class History while good on a lot of things, are absolute dog shit on anything related to the USSR. I forget if they're Trots or what.

[–] HomoSexualTransStalinist@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anarchists, they get mad each year on the anniversary of Trotsky defeating the Kronstadt counter revolutionaries

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Ah, gotcha.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

I have a feeling they live in a NATO or MNNA country and consider themselves anarchists.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago

Forgive them Father for they are suckdems

[–] ObamnaSoda@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

when nazis come for communists Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!

when nazis come for me Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

DOWN WITH MONARCHY!

DOWN WITH NAZIS!!

DOWN WITH COMMUNISTS!!!!

capitalism is ok. we're socialists btw

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Every twentieth post of Working Class History is just anti communism. I wouldn't be surprised if they were Trots.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

funnily enough i actually had the thought that they might be trots earlier today and went looking for evidence of such

didn't find anything explicit but i didn't get too deep into looking

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Other posters here said they were Western anarchists, which might be the case.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

that tracks. out of curiosity i went through and peeked at the articles that come up when you search for lenin, then did the same for stalin.

https://stories.workingclasshistory.com/tag/8568/joseph-stalin

i have also seen them running content made with (alleged) chinese migrant workers, which could of course go either way. but given their apparent leanings...

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Alternative to Roterfront, but yes.

As a reaction to the Harzburg Front and the »March of 100,000«, the Reichsbanner, SPD, General German Trade Union Confederation (ADGB), General Employees’ Association (Afa-Bund) and workers’ gymnastics and Sportbund (ATSB) formed the "Iron Front" on December 16, 1931. Her symbol was three from top right to arrows pointing to the lower left, each shattering a crown, a swastika, and a hammer and sickle. The Iron Front therefore also saw itself as an anti-communist organization.

There was no actual membership. Rather, the Iron Front represented an attempt to to initiate a movement of pro-republic forces. Today they would probably be more democratic as a concerted action identify organizations against extremism

During the first months of its existence, the Iron Front was popularized through large-scale events. There were so-called "preparation weeks" in which activists could write their names in "iron books." Trade unionists formed "hammer groups" in order to be able to act militantly in an emergency. In their propaganda appeared the Iron Front as a decisive force to protect the republic. In fact, their activities focused on publicly effective self-portrayals.

Meanwhile, the Nazis were gaining ground. Hitler wanted on April 10, 1932 in the election to the Reich President against Paul von Hindenburg and Ernst Thälmann, but he was still stateless. The German The Braunschweig government procured him citizenship by appointing him to the government council on February 25, 1932 in Berlin - a post that Hitler, incidentally, never took up. However, the election to the Reich President was decided by supported by the SPD, German nationalist Paul von Hindenburg for himself.

The Iron Front predates Antifa, and Antifa was very much Communist led, it was an attempt at a united front. The SPD leadership and union leadership REFUSED to join. We cannot know for sure the membership makeup because Antifa insisted upon no membership cards, as this was practical self-defense, NOT a political militia or armed wing. Which probably saved a lot of lives in the short term.

As an example, Thälmann’s reply to whether the anti-fascist Action about a “communist party shop” is reproduced: “It is a non-partisan collecting tank for all workers who are willing to fight ruthlessly against fascism. It is not an organization, but a mass movement. She is the stream into which all the fighting forces flow which is really the struggle, the mass attack against the current government, which is the immediate erection of the fascist To operate a dictatorship, to want to implement it. The leadership of the special unity committees in the factories, in the streets the stamp points etc., must of course be in the hands of the workers themselves willing to fight. ”

Iron Front was utterly useless

During the first months of its existence, the Iron Front was popularized through large-scale events. There were so-called “preparation weeks” in which activists could write their names in “iron books.” Trade unionists formed “hammer groups” in order to be able to act militantly in an emergency. In their propaganda appeared the Iron Front as a decisive force to protect the republic. In fact, their activities focused on publicly effective self-portrayals.

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Could you link what you're quoting from (or at least name the source)?

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

FUCK YEAH!!! Wayback machine is working and the page was saved a bunch of times

https://web.archive.org/web/20200716154607/http://antifaeu.blogsport.de/images/80J_AA_web.pdf

Here is a link to a still working site with it uploaded https://www.rosalux.de/fileadmin/ls_ni/dokumente/publikationen/80_Jahre_Antifaschistische_Aktion_-_Brosch%C3%BCre.pdf

Bernd Langer wrote a bunch of books on antifa history since the 80s. We should definitely put his stuff (including this) in the Hexbear reading archives or whatever we call the library for the reading club

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

So I cannot for the life of me find the link, the book is German and I translated sections years ago. I managed to find this dead-link if anyone can help http://antifaeu.blogsport.de/images/80J_AA_web.pdf

Wayback machine is down this week because of fears of an attack on the site so I can't use that currently. May be a download on my old computer

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Remind me, what are the three arrows again? 🤔

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fascism, monarchism and communism iirc.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hate fascism so much that I hate anti-fascists! I'm an anti-anti-fascist! i-love-not-thinking

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

You can either reject private property, or you can be a fascist. There are no other options and this makes succdems extremely mad.

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago
[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Buy our anti-fascist pins to fight fascism

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk I've been reliably informed by a fairly inteligent anarchist I know that the Three Arrows was used before the SocDems got ahold of it, and that the third arrow originally meant capitalism not communism. He had like, evidence but I didnt save it. So personally I dont have the problem with the three arrows most people have. Its not like most people that use it are using it with that intention anyway.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll wait on that evidence.

[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a crap article, it completely glosses over 100% historical usage of 3 arrows as anticommunist symbol after the original one by SPD, and i find it highly suspicious that Polish site missed its usage as the logo of militant faction of PPS, party very much anticommunist and analogue to SPD.

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hate to say it but the succdems kind of cooked with the three arrows logo. It looks cool.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Cool logos aren't that difficult

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

There's a portuguese language version of this twitter account that's also very anarchisty

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

which is the arrow one that some anarchistics use? i think it has three arrows as well but it's black and white

[–] mraow_@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I cannot think of any anarchist symbol with three arrows but I can think of the Chaos Star, sometimes also known as the Chaos Wheel, Chaos Arrows or Eight of Wands. It symbolises order, weirdly enough.