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Lmao she's gonna eat shit so hard, mark my words (hexbear.net)
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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 89 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It is very obvious at this point that the Democratic Party will become the new Republican Party.

Trump created a historic opportunity that the Democrats could only have dreamed of - a Republican president who somehow managed to piss off the National Security State, the Military Industrial Complex, the Oil and Gas Industry, and the Wall Street Finance Capitalists all at the same time, where many of whom have been traditional supporters of the Republican Party.

Trump is the true Pied Piper candidate - only in the longer term than Hillary had anticipated - and the Democrats would be stupid not to take the opportunity gifted to them.

What will become of the Republican Party then? MAGA culture war petit bourgeois idiots will take over the party. The traditional bourgeois base is already jumping ship.

Remember, the Democrats do not want Republican voters, they want the Republican donors. The 1% that matters. This is the key to understanding the Democratic strategy.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You know, this reminds me of this quote:

In the first French Revolution the rule of the Constitutionalists is followed by the rule of the Girondists and the rule of the Girondists by the rule of the Jacobins. Each of these parties relies on the more progressive party for support. As soon as it has brought the revolution far enough to be unable to follow it further, still less to go ahead of it, it is thrust aside by the bolder ally that stands behind it and sent to the guillotine. The revolution thus moves along an ascending line.

It is the reverse with the {U.S elections of 2024}

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More like the Democrats are going back to their roots with a combination of the Bourbon Democrats fiscal policy and the Wilsonian foreign policy.

It’s difficult to tell where Republicans might go after MAGA. Republicans aren’t unfamiliar with periods of political realignment. There could be a strong third party candidate like Teddy Roosevelt or George Wallace that play a role in where both parties ultimately end up. RFK isn’t it and neither is Jill Stein.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

I could see the GOP pivoting to some soft MAGA communism minus the communism, so MAGA social democracy.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 81 points 1 month ago (3 children)

i don't think on either side it's conscious or intentional, but both trump and harris are desperately racing to lose

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

I think Trump probably doesn't really want to be president again. I think Harris is desperate to win, she's just a born loser

[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, this is kinda what still makes me think it will be a toss up. Harris is doing the Democrat thing, but Trump just seems done with it all.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

trump is low energy, getting weird, doing explicit, not dogwhistled, eugenicism in interviews now. he's pretty shaken up from the assassination attempt. his core is locked in, but he's not at his previous level for doing fascist agitprop to get new voters in. harris has some of the worst political instincts imaginable and is committed to alienating anyone too disgusted by genocide to support her. worse, her campaign is being ran by the joe biden campaigners with the worst instincts imaginable. hence all this dumbass appeal to bipartisanship, political strategems developed for the climate of the goddamn jimmy carter years

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This seems to be a recent trend across the western world. Nobody wants to seem to win anymore. It's like they know they're at the end of the line. There are no solutions and nobody wants to be left with the bag when the music stops. We're at the socialism or barbarism fork in the road again and not many of them have the stomach for explicitly taking the barbarism path even if they know for sure they won't take the socialist one.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

the interesting part to me is all the ways it seems like they know but in fact they don't. in reality it's just the terminal processes of capitalism grinding slower and slower. everyone remotely in charge of any amount of power is simply responding to their own self-interest. kamala harris needs those donors, so she's going to tack to the center-right, despite it being electoral suicide, despite how desperately she personally wants the win. her world, as a person who acted in ways that allowed her to be carried to this position now, does not include the kind of real ideological dedication to even something as nebulous and dubious as "human empathy" that might allow her to win. tim walz has just a bit of that backbone, and it's very funny to watch them choke it out of him. see his defense of fertility treatment and abortion access vs his defense of the fascist border legislation that harris is running on. like two completely different people. one is capable and articulate, the other is saying matt miller type lines with poor execution. but he really thinks he might get to do something if he wins, so he's trying to go along with it. you can also see how well it would actually work with voters from the little moment right where they announced him and before the ghouls got there where he popped off. by the debates he "agree[s] with a lot of what you're saying" with jd "bloodboy" vance. and really, under all of it i think, the fact that they can't figure this out when the same calculation seemingly worked for bill clinton, is that they don't understand that they're running out of people to exploit effectively. some part of it doesn't work any more. maybe just the inefficiencies proscribed by the demand for increasing profits driving self-consumption even in corporations that are objectively successful, a la boeing.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 61 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's really sad but Biden will probably be the most progressive president we'll see on domestic issues. Democrats are fully sold on making a right wing turn after him. If they eat shit this election? They'll make another right wing turn. Awful party, rotten to the core

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they lose they’ll blame it on not choosing Shapiro and they’ll run with Chris Christie as VP next time around.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No not that Shapiro shapiro-poplar

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah not him, the one who covered up a murder instead

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wild that Ben is the morally superior Shapiro in this situation

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Well little ben probably caused some stochastic terrorism so let's call it a wash

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And Biden has republican friends in congress and a republican attorney General?

Why does she think that's an accomplishment or distinguishing feature between the 2

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Biden's entire nomination was due to his supposed ability to "reach across the aisle," and to form coalitions. But that is politics of the past; the world has moved on.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"We're adding members of the Hitler party to the government" is a sentiment that sucks ass and anybody who acts like it's pragmatic or whatever five dollar word can go suck that ass

Christ I am so tired of these people

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Including members of the Hitler party in your administration is a really hard sell when you're also banking on the Hitler party being so disgusting that voters plug their nose to vote for you.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

You mean it wasn't just about DaBiden age and cognition problems, but his policy? Waaaaaaaaaa shocked-pikachu

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Do you really think so? Upon absolutely zero inspection I have thought that she was going to run away with the election vs. an old, dried-out, death-fearing Trump

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Umm, excuse you, she’s talking.

[–] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Clinton and Biden both polled better than she is polling now

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

Yes I do

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bluesky

"I'll appoint a (nominal) member of the other party to the Cabinet" is the absolute cheapest, most inconsequential pro forma token bipartisanship thing you can do, which is why everyone pre-Trump did it.

Dirty little secret about Cabinet gigs: most of them don't matter and have no real power.

https://subium.com/profile/andycraig.bsky.social/post/3l5zky2vlj42o

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

"If she really means it, she should appoint Republicans to powerful positions!"

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

U.S. ambassador to Iran... Dick Cheney

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ahem. You misspelled Secretary of Defense.

And every day he sends Kamala an URGENT memo indicting that the US must do a pre-emptive strike on Iran because they are a week away from having operational nuclear missiles.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

holden-bloodfeast duheuhh.... pleease...

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

This is why some in that party wanted some kind of bizarre mini primary. Part was that they wanted a chance to be kingmakers and gain leverage, but part was that they knew Harris was a loser

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

Really doing everything they can to recreate 2016 huh? I couldn't believe they hired a bunch of Hillary campaign advisors

the people who lost to DONALD TRUMP (and under a rational system would have never been allowed to organize campaigns again); to somehow help Kamala win by doing the exact same things and worse that had Hillary lose before, against the same opponent

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All they fucking had to do was not support a genocide. How fucking stupid are these people?

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, the thing is, you see...

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah but they had an easy pr win with the Ukraine proxy war. If they were really desperate, take a side in Sudan or help Nigeria invade Niger.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

As a Canadian trying as hard as I can not to pay attention, I'm pretty sure she's still gonna win. Been wrong about Trump before but he isn't bringing the sauce he uses to and the Neo KHive seems to be doing okay off the smug. I hate to see them rewarded