These kinda of things are why the US supports Israel. It helps destabilize the neighbors that don't fall in line with US interests. The US fears a sovereign Middle East where they get to choose what to do with their own countries and resources, not just for the usual Imperialist reasons, but because of the importance of the petrodollar system.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 11 points 2 months ago (8 children)

That's too 5-d chess for "the US" to pull off. I find it more plausible that the US supports Israel because Israel has a lot of powerful supporters in the US who manipulate public opinion and government policy.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's not 5-d chess, it's simple politics of weakening potential rivals. If you look at history literally the same thing was done even by ancient hegemonies, it has even popular Latin name - "Divide et impera". USA is global hegemon and acts globally.

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[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago

exactly what the us allows them to do. I can only guess that kind old uncle sam has been feeding its billions in war change to israel for reasons more compelling than mere genocide (but that would suffice for some). a middle east ground "incursion" may be it.

because nothing could possibly go wrong with this. nothing at all.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Whatever the fuck they want. Both American parties are pro-genocide, and their voters are either too stupid or too scared to demand otherwise. Its relevant because Israel could be doing absolutely none of this without US backing. US voters had (and somewhat still have) an opportunity to demand from their candidates but as I said, either too stupid or too scared to demand it.

Now Israel has carte blanc.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Support for Israel is "off the table" in American politics. It's something that won't even be offered to voters as a choice. I remember when globalization was like this. Between Ross Perot and Donald Trump you had zero candidates on either side who were anti-globalization.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

Genocide, same thing they've been doing with infinite help from the US

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 85 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I've read The Guardian article about the situation, and what stuck out to me was this:

The US president, Joe Biden, said he was aware of Israel’s plans to launch an operation into Lebanon as he urged against such a move. “I’m more aware than you might know and I’m comfortable with them stopping,” he told reporters at the White House. “We should have a ceasefire now.”

Thank you Biden, just wag your finger and keep feeling "comfortable with them stopping", that is ought to give you some moral victory points which is all that matters (and not thousands of civilians being killed by Israel that's funded by US).

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the worst part is that Biden saying that is like the most you'll ever hear any american politician say. Thats "Radical" to them. "Hey maybe don't invade lebanon" "omg are you an antisemite?"

[–] huf@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

i had to listen to an absolutely unhinged dude yesterday, who thinks biden/kamala not saying "KILL THEM ALL KILL KILL KILL GO BIBI GO KILL" means they're going to "betray" israel...

it was bad.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being either more bloodthirsty or more incompetent (or both) that Reagan.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

😭

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 56 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So it's actually happening...

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I am so so so expecting a nuclear exchange in or around the middle east witin 12 months - possibly after a "dirty nuke" attempt somewhere.

I am clutching at straws to even excuse this out of my top 3 worst case black swans.

only positive news is that nuclear winter will sure fix up that global warming thing real good.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (4 children)

There won't be an exchange; only Israel has nukes; it'll just be genocide in a different location

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 53 points 2 months ago (7 children)

99% of genocidal fascist settler states give up right before winning a 4 front war, FACT

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

This will lead to WW3. Plus the blow back will be endless. You can't murder tens of thousands of people, and displace and starve millions with out creating terrorists.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They think that hezbollah and hamas and all the attacks on Israel by both are 100% unprovoked and brought on by some inbred hatred for jews. Hell, I was accused of being a bigot simply for being Lebanese and it was somehow taught to me as a child that I must hate Israel because of where I was born.

Nothing could be farther than the truth. I hate Israel and zionism the same way I fucking hate the nazis. It is because of what they believe, what they did, and what they are doing now, and what they plan on doing.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And whatever blindfolded bigotry is in these areas they are justifying with their actions. Do they think someone who just had their lives, friends and family blown up or stolen by Israel is going to think rationally? I'd tell you what I'd do in the Palestinians shoes but it'll probably get me on a FBI watch list.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Look up 'Hasbara program' on your preferred search engine (duckduckgo or startpage. Degoogle your life!) And you will see that they train and pay people to go online and just spread this shit on various allegedly middle east communities until it is nothing but zionist hellscapes.

On reddit the Lebanon and Syria subreddits are havens for zionist propagandists trying to get Lebanese to think that everything is their fault or hezbollah's fault, and in the Syrian subreddit they claim that all Lebanese in Syria are troublemakers and drug dealers and thieves who want to wreck Syrian society.

No joke. It is that fucked. I could write more but I don't got the time or energy now.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not will be. Is. The blowback from last time was, among other things, Hezbollah.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

There are countless fake Lebanese who claim that this invasion is justified and it is 100% hezbollah fault (yeah right) while not realizing that this shit could lead to something far worse.

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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

A person born with hatred out of those conditions is not a terrorist. They have every right to feel the way to do.

Typical westerners, acknowledging their plight and still blaming the victims.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 42 points 2 months ago

Israel is being run by a bunch of racist antisemitic ghouls

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Where will "I'll attack them coz they attacked me coz I attacked them coz they attacked me..." finally lead to? Anything can be justified based on when you start looking at the history, and each new attack only fuels the next.

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