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Also that argument is dead on arrival because they expect you and businesses and the entire city to pack up and leave as if it would cost nothing. They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
If anyone ever says “just move” you know they have zero concept of the word “community” or “moving costs” or “nuance”. They just don’t want to address the cause of the problem because they’re, at best, cowards.
Haha I literally had Ben written in but opted to remove it. Fuck Ben Shapiro.
I will never not laugh at that. He spends so long chopping with the axe, and then drops the punchline. It's perfect.
They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
You have to sell the story that the area is a conservative utopia where people can live free of wokeness.
Then the conservative refugees from the satanic, communist areas will flock to you to buy your land.
If its our area (Flordia coast)... that's not a problem.
Buyers don't care. They don't know squat about flooding or hurricanes, they just come in from out of state and get dazzled by the realtor and the weather and everything and buy.
Our housing market was so crazy houses were being auctioned left and right. Market value just keeps going up, even on the coast.
TL;DR if the area is superficially attractive enough, home buyers are idiots. I realize this is probably not the case in Georgia mountains, but it his here, and its enabling a vicious cycle where builders keep building homes in obvious flood zones, where they absolutely shouldn't.
That doesn't fix the problem, it just changes who has the problem. Though I'll admit that idiots buying bad stuff from other idiots in a cycle until eventually one idiot gets their life totally ruined feels a little on the nose.
"Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??"
Conservatives. It's a victimless crime. Come on guys.
Why don't people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
It isn’t so much that the mountains flooded.
They’ve flooded before.
It’s how badly they’ve flooded. We may mot ge getting extra storms from climate change, but it certainly can make the existing storms worse.
IMO that’s what we’re seeing more of. From straight line winds being more damaging, to storm systems that might only have a couple tornados to now having a dozen.
Yup, also south Georgia historically gets missed by most hurricanes. Now that area has been hit by two in a matter of weeks. These are not coastal areas but 100+miles from the coast.
Yeah, everyone I was talking to about it was very confused why I was worried about a hurricane at my location.
One would think that the political party of "bUtT thE bIbLE!!!111one" would pay attention to the part about, ya know, even mountains flooding.
The Bible is middle-eastern propaganda anyway 🙄
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long, and now folks give up Sundays to pray away their feelings.
Fun fact: there isn’t any state that is safe from climate change disasters no matter what party is in power. Also, NC has a democratic governor and half of its House members are democrats.
As a person that packed up and moved from Florida. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Leaving Florida was one of the more joyous occasions in my life. I moved somewhere with earthquakes and wildfires, but at least my daughters will have access to reproductive healthcare and if one of my kids turns out gay or trans they won't be under existential thread. Natural Florida I absolutely love, esp when it used to be weird (a la Carl Hiaasen) but christ almighty is it a failed state.
I felt this. One of my partners cars was hit with a bat because she had a pride sticker on it. Our partner was asked to resign as a math teacher because they're trans and respected students' pronouns. By the end of COVID I was concealed carrying just to go grocery shopping.
I miss Florida wildlife deeply. I was part of Florida trail association thought I was never going to leave but life throws curve balls it's up to you to figure out how to catch them.
Alabama native. Right there with you. The people changed so much during COVID that we started making plans in 2020 to get out before the next election. We moved this summer. Life is better and I'm no where near as worried about having to shoot someone to protect myself or family.
I brought a jar of red clay dirt with me. I'll always miss the woods and creeks I knew.
I live in a river valley that tornadoes generally jump over. I also live on a hill much higher than the river will ever flood even in a catastrophic event like this.
And yet, back in June...
No tornado, just high-speed wind. And a lot of our neighbors got it worse than us. Trees through people's windows, branches on cars, some of the roads in our subdivision were completely blocked for a couple of days. Houses are still being repaired.
There is nowhere safe from climate change.
Landslide mudslides on mountains are way more scary than floods. Floods you get a boat ok, landslides you're dead and buried.
Mudslides are a thing that many people not living in mountainous terrain simply don't realize exists.
The word "mudslide" also kinda hides the nuance that those contain stones.
Cleaning it is a bitc*.
Edit: wth, we have profanity filters here?
Profanity filters barely begins to scratch the surface of the heavy restrictions on lemmy.ml. The admins there are also well-known for banning people from not just communities but the entire instance if you criticize China, Russia, North Korea, etc., or certain leaders of such, or communist, etc. Imagine a Truth Social instance, except claiming to be leftist instead of right-wing - their way is the correct way and that's final, dissent not allowed.
As it result, it has developed into quite the echo chamber. Not that that matters much to you bc you can access most communities across the entire Fediverse from there, or vice versa.
What may matter to you though is that many people, myself included, have user blocks in place (and lemmy.cafe has even defederated from it entirely) that prevents us from getting notifications from people on that instance. Blocking the big three instances (hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml) cuts out >99% of the toxic crap coming our way, at the expense of conversations with innocent people who merely were not aware of the history of that instance and its relation to the Fediverse at large. I also lose out on a few larger communities that way but for me at least I consider it well worth the cost. So if you ever feel isolated, like people from other instances are ignoring what you say... it may be due to this effect, i.e. we may literally not even be aware that you replied to us at all.
So now you know.
This is why I get angry that whenever I complain on Reddit about climate change because of massive heatwaves someone said "just emigrate north lmao". Neoliberals are deluded, we have to solve the problem, period.
I have a degree in postmortem science and hobby in anthropology/archeology/paleontology. The biggest extinction event this globe has ever seen, the Permian Extinction, where over 90% of ALL life (96% of ocean life) went extinct, was from pollution and a mere 10°C increase in global temperature. That's all it took to decimate life on earth. The pollution and heat came from volcanoes, but we are on the same path. It's already gone up 1.6°C... I do think humanity will survive, but not the majority of us.
Some of my family doesn't believe in climate change, and/or is religious to the point that they don't believe in carbon dating and core sample data. I wish I could make them believe, but no data in the world will work.
I was part of a documentary on the largest fires in recorded history and so many were within the last 10 years it was terrifying. One in the forests of Russia was still ongoing when the doco was finished and RELEASED!
I'm in the Indianapolis area and just got off the phone with my home owners insurance company about damage to my roof. They are attributing it to Hurricane Helene.
I hear the moon has no natural disasters......yet.
Comets and shit: "hold our space beers"
The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
We got wind from the hurricane all the way in Chicago. I don't like what that could mean for us in another decade.
I do think people fixate on "Climate Change is going to make weather patterns way worse" while losing a bit of sight on "Our infrastructure has been collapsing for the last 50 years and neither states nor businesses want to spend money to shore it up".
These hurricanes are the big-ass straw that's breaking the ancient and rickety-knee'd camel's back. Even if we magically solved rising temperatures tomorrow, we'd still be dealing with the legacy of higher global temperatures for another century. And we'd still have infrastructure that's continuing to pass its expiration date under the most benign weather conditions.
But because of the way we do accounting and measure economic growth in this country, these storms only ever seem to be counted as "future possible risks to hedge against" rather than "guaranteed costs to invest in anticipation of".
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It's happened before, and it's gonna happen again.
I'm pretty sure there is nowhere in the entire universe you can go that wouldn't be subject to some kind of natural disaster except maybe the voids. The big swaths of space with literally nothing in them? But then you'd just be subject to man-made disasters like your space ship/station crumbling to pieces due to poor maintenance or someone going space crazy and murdering everyone aboard.
Even then you might get obliterated by a GRB from some far-off solar system.
