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I wanted to get printer photo paper for my printer, a Canon. I went to Walmart, They had nothing. Went to Target, they had one pack of photo paper and it was crazy expensive, so I went to micro center. That one was just as expensive. So finally I went back to Amazon, which I was trying to avoid, and saw the price 25 to 40% lower than anywhere I had been. Literally everything that I was looking for, I could find within seconds. Not even Best buy has even close to the amount of inventory or variety, even when you're shopping online....

Therefore, I think Amazon has a literal monopoly in the tech industry right now, you're literally forced to buy from them, because unless you have the money and financial fortitude to protest with your wallet, you're going to be buying from them. There's no other choice. They have so aggressively and dominantly taken over the supply chain market that no other tech company can currently compete with them in any aspect at all. You will be paying 40 to 50% more on everything by cutting out Amazon, and no one has the money for that anymore unless you're upper middle class or above

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

You were looking for office supplies: did you check an office supply store?

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 hours ago

It's not just the tech industry, it's most industries. They have tons of inventory of everything.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am fortunate to live in a country where amazon is not strong and we have aggregated search engines that over all the small shops, compete against Amazon on selection and cost, often beating it. I hope it stays this way.

[–] gingernate@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

Yes, Czechia. We can order from Amazon.de, but it's not usually much better than the other options, and returns and support are much worse.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 29 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

OP, I dislike Amazon and there are definitely plenty of things to accuse them of, but you're literally describing the opposite of a monopoly. Generally the problem with monopolies is that they don't need to compete on price so they'll over charge. You're saying Amazon is a monopoly because they're the cheapest option though. That doesn't follow.

Again, to be clear, I dislike them and believe they're worthy of criticism. I'm not trying to "defend Amazon" here.

[–] firadin@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You need to read The Amazon Anti-Trust Paradox by current FTC head Lina Khan. She argues that the consumer price oriented monopoly definition is old and outdated in the modern setting. Price is not a sufficient proxy for market competitiveness, and in fact, price is often used to kill competitiveness by undercutting new and innovative products.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 4 hours ago

That's a good point. Especially when we see so many things where there are exactly two companies competing.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Many monopolies form by first using a dominant market position to sell at a price no competitor can afford to match. Choice has already been removed before the "competition" folds or pulls out of the market. The consequences don't happen overnight; you feel the squeeze before the "true" monopoly emerges. Amazon isn't going to sell at a cheaper price once their competitors go out of business out of the kindness of their hearts.

Further, high consumer price is just one form monopoly power takes. Reduced labor power, wages, and worse working conditions are other important concerns, in addition to removing product variety and innovation incentive.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's a fair point. Bring loss leader can be a stepping stone on the path to being a "real" monopoly.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Amazon literally did this with diapers.com that led to them acquiring the company and shutting it down. I'm sure they've done it in hundreds of other product spaces as well.

[–] Kryptenx@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

OP didn't say it, but Amazon also forces agreements with sellers not to list same items cheaper elsewhere online which is monopolistic.

I get the nuance you are communicating though.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 hours ago

Just because they are the cheapest option doesn't mean they aren't a monopoly. They clearly have the most inventory. One store having all of the inventory of everything and being the leader for selling products of any kind, is a pretty big problem.

If they can put others out of business (pretty sure they have put smaller stores out of business in the past), they can become an even bigger monopoly.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 19 points 11 hours ago

"A monopoly is a market structure with a single seller or producer that assumes a dominant position in an industry or a sector. Monopolies are discouraged in free-market economies because they stifle competition, limit consumer substitutes, and thus, limit consumer choice." ~investopedia

Nothing about needing to jack prices up. I'd say Amazon fits the description perfectly

[–] vaderaj@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

I am no economist, but don't you think this behaviour of Amazon leads to "carrot and stick" and at that point it is basically a monopoly right?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Wait, your Canon printer needs a specific type of photo paper, not just generic photo paper that's been around for inkjet printers for a very long time now? Have printers really become that enshittified?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 hours ago

I believe they are sublimation printers, which require specific inks and papers. I seem to remeber that they produce very long lasting prints, which ordinary inkjets (even pigment) can't achieve.

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Canon printers specifically are designed to take Canon specific photo paper. Even the drivers on your Windows PC are programmed to understand what those photo papers are, and you have to match up to them. If you use some generic paper, the prints will never come out right.

[–] agelord@lemmy.world 23 points 8 hours ago

Canon printers specifically are designed to take Canon specific photo paper.

OP, this is what you should be complaining about.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 22 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Microcenter price matches amazon, you could've bought it for the same price at microcenter. Also, you can try ebay, I've been buying more stuff from ebay and the experience is pretty good.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I'll say one problem is that for a number of items, there's a technicality in the supply chain that exempts stuff from the price match. I don't know about Microcenter, but have seen it in other contexts.

For example "Oh, Amazon is selling a 120 pack, but we only carry 125 packs, so it's not equivalent". Or in the most egregious, "You have the price for model number 762LAZ, but we stock 762LWM", and you search and find out those two model numbers are absolutely identical, but "AZ" models come in a box with an Amazon logo printed on it.

[–] puck2@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

1/2 the time on eBay (for new stuff) it's someone sending a gift package from Amazon and pocketing the difference.

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Micro center does that? Because I asked them about that and they said they will only do it for certain items. That's really strange honestly. I would also feel a little bit bad about it, because Amazon is clearly trying a loss leader strategy to mark down the product prices to ridiculous levels, I'm sure that would not help local small businesses if I can't afford it, so I wouldn't want to exploit that

[–] NRay7882@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Ive had different stores & managers give me different policies. One told me the items needed to be shipped and sold from Amazon. Another told me it was only for items that weren't on sale. Another told me I couldn't price match a part that was in a bundle purchase. But yes, they respect price match to almost every major competitor.

Best Buy does some price matching as well.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Bought a RX 6400 for a little windoze game box, and shelled out around 30€ /35€ more at a conventional well known shop here, materiel dot net. Bought most of my stuff there over the years, nice people, etc.

But I couldn't just go get it, it "had to" be delivered, so I paid for that too (I guess you do the same on Amazon), high class delivery or so I thought. Ordered thursday, scheduled delivery "wednesday 8h-19h" so okay I WFH but man better be there every minute right?

Got a confirmation SMS/Text around 12, we're delivering your package today! (No more info).

Surprise, they didnt.

Suddenly it's scheduled "Thursday 8h-19h".

Grrr

I bet I would have gotten my card on saturday if I had used amazon (+30€ too...).

I mean are brick & mortar stores dead now for real maybe?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 8 hours ago

Services quality is down across all segments of economy tho this ain't retail specific.

We pay more, we get less. Entire life is being rapidly enshitified

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 33 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (6 children)

Not just tech, all over the product spectrum. They started by selling books.

A large problem is payment system and accounts. I hate going to a new shop and create a new account, a new password, bla bla bla. I hate it. And wiring with online banking is still a pain the ass, you have to enter some password into your shitty phone keyboard and then wait for an SMS... paypal and amazon payment make shopping convenient.

So part of the problem is banks who have been sleeping on the job for decades. At least here in Europe. You finally can wire money so it arrives immediately from your bank account at a shop! (without having to waste some tax on a payment provider either). But 2 factor authentication is still a pita. Where is my online bank with easy to use FIDO2?

There are now alternative popping up because amazon has become so enshittified (high prices for many smaller items and reviews etc). And of course I'm a fan of aliexpress but shipping from China is stupid too.

We definitely need to avoid a monopoly by a corporation like amazon.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 43 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Amazon has very good deals OR very bad ones. I find Microcenter often equal to or even better than Amazon in most tech stuff.

Your experience is exactly why you shouldn't make sweeping judgement on one data point.

  1. Photo paper isn't really tech. It's a supply.

  2. It's a low volume niche item.

  3. People that are buying it are less likely to care about cost (older) or want it right now. So Microcenter feels they can charge more. (IMO)

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Was about to say, the last few times I have bought something, Amazon was actually the more expensive choice. Once we looked at them to buy some grocery type products and they were just absolutely horribly expensive compared to any local grocer.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Funny you mention grocery type items. That's where I first noticed how bad Amazon can price gouge. Sometimes 3-4 times what the price should be.

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