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Also it's rationale not rational

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[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Notions like "the best defence is offence" and a preemptive/preventive war have existed for a long time, to be fair. It's just that this isn't the first time Israel or the US have pulled that card and it never worked. Hezbollah was founded the first time Israel invaded Lebanon ffs.

Even if it did work in this case, it would be short-sighted, as the injustice in Palestine would continue and it's just a matter of time before things blow up again. "No justice, no peace" and all that.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

Both Hamas and Hezbollah are products of Israeli belligerence. The only real way to get rid of them while keeping Israel trucking along is complete genocide.

[–] Balthier@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

USA is concerned that Israel is attacking an enemy that can actually cause damage to it. Thats not the modern imperialist way. You should only start a war where you can cause 10x more casualties than you receive. The 2006 Lebanon war didn't go so well for Israel. Looks like Israel is all-in on national self-destruction.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I hope Orwell is down in hell watching his precious western capitalism turn in to exactly the absurd caricature of Communism that he shat in to the world. I hope he's screaming down in the ice with the other traitors.

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Makes sense, considering the Democrat's foreign policy people are basically the same people from the Bush Administration.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago

But doctor, I am the neocon

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"De-escalation through escalation", a proud intellectual descendant of "made desolation and call it peace" and "kill them, for the Lord knows those that are His"

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 44 points 2 days ago

We have to kill civilians because they will become future combatants in response to us killing civilians

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Lethal aid"

And, i hate to say it "war is peace"

How the fuck did Orwell ever actually believe that applied to the Soviets I don't know.

I mean he came with the concept of doublespeak because he practiced it so much.

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Georges Orwell when the system he diligently defended becomes the exact dystopia he accused its enemies of being

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago

Hey, it's an old fascist trick: Always accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

anakin-padme-1 Britain is an impoverished surveillance state cut off from the world where the people are horribly oppressed by an elite ruling class that hates them and exists only to reinforce their misery

anakin-padme-2 I knew this would happen if my beloved Albion fell to Stalinism!

anakin-padme-3

anakin-padme-4 they're communists, right? Right?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 78 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's a fucked up old black and white science fiction movie where astronauts go to "Planet X" and... freak out and kill everything in sight because what they find are basically just Earth life forms except larger and just sitting there. The feeemale of the crew screams, they shoot. And then again, and again.

Eventually, the rocket takes off after leaving a magical nuclear weapon that blows up the entire planet. The narrator voice says, at that moment, "we brought civilization to Planet X."

This has that energy. mission-accomplished

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If bombs bring civilization that means america is uncivilized because it's never been bombed

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's bombed itself, and there was Pearl Harbor.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pearl Harbor is in occupied land.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

All of the US is occupied land

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Kiska and Attu, too. Nasty little "fight" with the Japanese during the war that isn't widely known, in the Aleutian island chain south west of Mainland Alaska.

It remind me of James Blish book "A Case of Conscience" from 1958, way more talking but ultimately ends the same. Also author was either a disgusting catochud or got too immersed in narration, i'm not familiar with his other works so idk.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 63 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The tried and true colonialism tactic of "what if we made everything more extreme, that will calm things down."

Let's ask South Vietnam how that went.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

We're gonna get Israeli Pol Pot

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Im Stopping the Fire by starting another Fire fireqin-shi-huangdi-fireball

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That can sometimes work though

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

oh wow its real

Fire can be used to fight forest fires, albeit with a certain amount of risk. A controlled burn of a strip of forest will create a barrier to an oncoming forest fire as it will use up all the available fuel.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, we do it a decent amount here, in one way or another

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Remember that one dude in Australia who back-burned around his house and ended up the only intact structure for miles during the bad fires a few yeas ago?

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes you also do it in urban environments, though normally you'd just chop down the surrounding houses. It's pretty wild.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

High explosives are used to put out oil well fires. Not sure what the theory is there, though.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

My guess would be the shockwave disperses the fuel and deprives it of oxygen, like blowing out a really really big candle.

[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

The fire of the oppressed's desire for liberation cannot be starved as long as the oppression continues. The wildfire only finds purchase when it is not given more fuel.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

<to the tune of Billy Joel's We Didn't Start The Fire>

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago

In my head I hear John Kirby at a press conference tomorrow "Look, I briefed the president on the 'de-escalation through escalation is some brain genius stupid shit' meme that's trending. He is aware but he will not be commenting on that. So - Mike listen Mike - no more questions about that. That's final. That goes for the rest of you too. Moving on..."

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago

So Nixon’s Madman theory

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also it's rationale not rational

That mistake always drives me crazy.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That mistake always drives me crazy.

The one that gets me every time is when someone says "conscious" when they mean "conscience." burgerpain

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oof, I hate that one in particular; every time I see it I feel as though I'm about to lose conscienceness

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

I deliberately swap vicious with viscous. You know, for evil.